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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'd like you to be right but our optimistic expectations have only led to disappointment.
    Indeed, and just when I think things can't sink any lower, we found out thats not the case.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It is amazing to me that with all that is happening in Iraq because of that foolish and poorly planned "boat rocking" you still believe it was the right thing to do. How much more will need to happen before you admit that invading Iraq was a HUGE mistake. Taking responsibility for your mistakes is the first step in avoiding more. Sticking sticks into hornets nests with no plan will not end well. Even a kid knows that.
    How can Iraq be "a huge mistake" when, after Bush left office, Biden called it his Administrations "greatest achievement" and Barrack Obama called Iraq "stable"?

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The world is far more dangerous today because of this sorry excuse for a President. In the Civil War, there was a Union general named Irvin McDowell who was so incompetent many people suspected he was trying to help the Confederacy by fighting so poorly.

    When I look at the enormous damage the prissy leftist now occupying the White House has done to this country, together with his clear resentment of American culture and traditions, I can't help but think of McDowell--plain old incompetence, or something far worse?
    That "or something worse", has occurred to many people. It's certainly possible but can it all be blamed on incompetence?

    I would certainly like to know what Obama meant when he said he could be 'more flexible' after the election.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

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    Russia and China have already moved into Central America, are establishing oil refineries there, as well as a canal between the two oceans to circumvent Panama, and have Venezuela, and possibly Mexico now, as partners. Meanwhile Obama has not only banned oil exploration on government lands, he has outlawed coal and still not acted on the Keystone pipeline. There's more but you get the drift.
    All good things. Just need to ratchet up R&D on renewables.
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How can Iraq be "a huge mistake" when, after Bush left office, Biden called it his Administrations "greatest achievement" and Barrack Obama called Iraq "stable"?
    And you are saying that Bush didn't think and say those same things? Wishful thinking and "hope springs eternal" are not crimes. Invading a country under false pretenses certainly is. We all hoped against hope that we were wrong and Iraq was not worse off than when we invaded but sometimes hopes get dashed. There was just too much wrong with the Govt. Bush installed there I'm afraid.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And you are saying that Bush didn't think and say those same things? Wishful thinking and "hope springs eternal" are not crimes. Invading a country under false pretenses certainly is. We all hoped against hope that we were wrong and Iraq was not worse off than when we invaded but sometimes hopes get dashed. There was just too much wrong with the Govt. Bush installed there I'm afraid.
    You keep saying the same lie over and over again I guess hoping that eventually it becomes true but lies never become true. Maliki wasn't Bush's choice for Iraq and no matter how many times you say it he wasn't installed by Bush. I am amazed that you continue to spout the same lies over and over again. Guess some people just don't have any pride.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You keep saying the same lie over and over again I guess hoping that eventually it becomes true but lies never become true. Maliki wasn't Bush's choice for Iraq and no matter how many times you say it he wasn't installed by Bush. I am amazed that you continue to spout the same lies over and over again. Guess some people just don't have any pride.
    How did Maliki get in power? Here's what people who were there said.

    Early in 2006, as the civil war grew fiercer, the American Ambassador in Baghdad, Zalmay Khalilzad, was summoned to a videoconference with President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair, of the U.K. In parliamentary elections the previous December, a coalition of Shiite parties had won the most votes. But their nominee for Prime Minister, the incumbent, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, was struggling to form a government. An avuncular, bookish figure, Jaafari had infuriated Bush with his indecisiveness, amiably presiding over the sectarian bloodbath that had followed the recent bombing of a major Shiite shrine.
    During the videoconference, Bush asked Khalilzad, “Can you get rid of Jaafari?”
    “Yes,” Khalilzad replied, “but it will be difficult.”

    For several days, Khalilzad told me, he worked to block Jaafari from securing a parliamentary majority, and finally he succeeded. But, as a condition for withdrawing quietly, Jaafari insisted that Iraq’s next Prime Minister come from his party, the Islamist group known as Dawa, which for five decades had fought tenaciously for Shiite interests. Ali al-Adeeb, a well-liked party official, seemed to be a logical candidate. But Khalilzad was troubled by Adeeb; his father was Iranian, and many Iraqis were already convinced that Iran secretly controlled their country. “He’s of Persian blood,” Khalilzad said. “This is what they believe.”
    Frustrated, Khalilzad turned to the C.I.A. analyst assigned to his office, a fluent Arabic speaker whose job was to know Iraq’s leaders. “Can it be that, in this country of thirty million people, the choice of Prime Minister is either Jaafari, who is incompetent, or Ali Adeeb, who is Iranian? Isn’t there anyone else?”

    “I have a name for you,” the C.I.A. officer said. “Maliki.”
    Among the Americans, Maliki was largely unknown, though he served on the committee charged with purging the Iraqi government of former members of Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party. “He’s clean,” the C.I.A. officer said; he wasn’t corrupt, and he had no apparent connection to terrorist activities. “We haven’t got any evidence on him.” And, unlike Jaafari, Maliki was “a tough guy,” seemingly able to defy the Iranian regime.

    “Let me meet him,” Khalilzad said.

    That night, during a long dinner at the American Embassy, Khalilzad asked Maliki if he’d considered becoming Prime Minister. Khalilzad recalled, laughing, that Maliki gave a startled jump. But, as the two men talked, Maliki said that he could indeed secure the votes, and so, as the dinner broke up, well past midnight, Khalilzad told an aide to get the White House on the phone. “We let Washington know there was a change of plans,” Khalilzad said. Sunni and Kurdish politicians endorsed his candidacy. Within three months, Maliki had become Iraq’s Prime Minister.
    What We Left Behind - The New Yorker

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    How did Maliki get in power? Here's what people who were there said.

    What We Left Behind - The New Yorker
    guess you missed this part

    Maliki said that he could indeed secure the votes
    So isn't it interesting how Bush selected Maliki in your world and Obama couldn't negotiate a U.S Presence and had to pull out to please he base? You really buy the liberal bs, don't you? What is happening in Iraq right now is ALL Obama's doing. He didn't like Iraq, he didn't like Maliki, he wanted to pull out caring less about what he was leaving knowing he had supporters like you who would always blame Bush

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I would certainly like to know what Obama meant when he said he could be 'more flexible' after the election.
    I am not so sure I want to know. President Limpwrist could have been talking about some exotic taste he has that can't be mentioned in polite company.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And you are saying that Bush didn't think and say those same things?
    I offered the quotes directly from Obama who, by the way, now says it was not his idea to leave Iraq.
    Wishful thinking and "hope springs eternal" are not crimes.
    Who are you referring to or quoting here?

    Invading a country under false pretenses certainly is.
    Is it? Then why did Congress approve of this illegality?

    We all hoped against hope that we were wrong and Iraq was not worse off than when we invaded but sometimes hopes get dashed. There was just too much wrong with the Govt. Bush installed there I'm afraid.
    Iraqis voted.

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