American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq[W:1007]

Grant · Aug 14, 2014

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Boo Radley said:
Anyone who doesn't really want them.

Can you be a tad more specific? It seems clear that Iraq doesn't want them, which would seem to shred that simple theory of yours.

Montecresto · Aug 14, 2014

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Grant said:
You seem to ignore that Muslims are crating havoc around the world, not just in the ME. There has been Islamic terrorism on every continent in the world with the exception, thus far, of Antarctica. And all of this is the result of Americans involvement in the Middle East? You don't think that perhaps, as throughout history, Islam may be flexing its muscles again?

Of course blaming America for the world's problems is far easier than to consider alternative theories..

Look here Grant, you've never considered an alternative theory to what you peddle daily.

Grant · Aug 14, 2014

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Boo Radley said:
We have always negotiated with our enemies, and quite successfully as well.

BHO did negotiate with terrorists and released five of their leaders for one Rose Garden invitee. How successful that was will be better judged with time.

Grant · Aug 14, 2014

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Montecresto said:
Look here Grant, you've never considered an alternative theory to what you peddle daily.

It's easy enough to just look at what the Islamists have to say. There is no need to speculate, or accept blame..

Montecresto · Aug 14, 2014

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Grant said:
It's easy enough to just look at what the Islamists have to say. There is no need to speculate, or accept blame..

And you've ignored what OBL had to say.

matchlight · Aug 14, 2014

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Grant said:
BHO did negotiate with terrorists and released five of their leaders for one Rose Garden invitee. How successful that was will be better judged with time.

Well, it sure could not have impressed Muslim jihadists with America's resolve. Almost everything Mr. Obama has done seems calculated to convince our enemies we are weak sisters, while convincing our allies they can't count on us in a tight spot. Obama does not seem to understand the importance, in foreign policy, of dealing so harshly with open enemies that it scares hell out of others who were thinking of crossing the U.S.

Grant · Aug 14, 2014

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Wiggen said:
No, conservatives are those who want to maintain the status quo - whether it was segregation or anything else. The fact that they were Democrats doesn't make them less conservative. The biggest collection of right wing assholes you could possibly think of were Southern Democrats. Thankfully, after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, most of them became Republicans.

I can understand your reluctance to call them Democrats, though indeed they were, and your preference to call them 'Conservative' is understood..

But if you look at history from a Left/Right view or a Republican/Democrat point of view, the Left/Democrat usually comes up short. What the Left does consistently, and quite successfully, is to change the meaning of words in order to make themselves historically more innocent. Orwell certainly understood that, and you know too that it's more comfortable for you to call them 'conservatives' rather than the 'democrats' they actually are. Here's an interesting guy who speaks to the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwqhoVIh65k

Grant · Aug 14, 2014

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Montecresto said:
And you've ignored what OBL had to say.

OBL only speaks for OBL and every terrorist will try to justify their terrorism according to their own reasons. There are millions of other terrorists in the world, each with their own ax to grind.

Why not investigate what the terrorists themselves have to say? Just exploring their websites should give you an idea what they're up to.

Wiggen · Aug 14, 2014

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They were conservative democrats. Nobody argues that. They tried to form their own party in 1948 under the banner of Strom Thurmond with a KKK platform that included opposition to making lynching a federal crime and integration of the armed forces. The passage of the Civil Rights Act led to them abandoning the party and becoming Independents or Republicans. These are historical facts - much like the famous 'Southern Strategy' of the Republican Party which sought to - in their words - capture the 'Negrophobe' vote.

Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many Democrats currently serve in Congress from the deep south? How many Democratic Governors are there in the deep south? The south has moved even further to the Right than it was, and the fact that it's Republicans and not Dixiecrats is hardly breaking news.

Grant · Aug 14, 2014

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matchlight said:
Well, it sure could not have impressed Muslim jihadists with America's resolve. Almost everything Mr. Obama has done seems calculated to convince our enemies we are weak sisters, while convincing our allies they can't count on us in a tight spot. Obama does not seem to understand the importance, in foreign policy, of dealing so harshly with open enemies that it scares hell out of others who were thinking of crossing the U.S.

Just checking out Bill Whittle and he speaks to your legitimate concerns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_6dzE7bxs

US Conservative · Aug 14, 2014

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Boo Radley said:
Nope. But I do tend to live by my values and not theirs. If you believed in ours, you would as well.

Flawed premise.

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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Conservative said:
Our enemies have always been countries not such a radical ideology. I asked you who we negotiate and you never answered. There is no leader of that Ideology, just millions of radicals who believe their way to Allah is by killing anyone that disagrees with them. Tell me who we negotiate with?

Yes, and you can't beat them by beating countries. And I did answer. Look back and read.

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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Bodhisattva said:
That s not true. We did not negotiate with Japan or Nazi Germany. We did not negotiate with terrorists either...

I think you misread, but we did negotiated with both Germany and Japan, but also used forced. I linked examples of successful negotiation. It's not all or nothing, and I did not call to negotiate with terrorist. I have called for something very different.

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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Grant said:
Can you be a tad more specific? It seems clear that Iraq doesn't want them, which would seem to shred that simple theory of yours.

Some in Iraq doesn't want them. But they are unlikely to go and conquer the rest of the world, and as weak as Iraq is, they are unlikely to win all of it either. They are not Hitler's Germany or even WWII Japan. We shouldn't elevate their status beyond what it actually is.

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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Grant said:
BHO did negotiate with terrorists and released five of their leaders for one Rose Garden invitee. How successful that was will be better judged with time.

That's not really negotiation, but how were you on Reagan when he just appeased them?

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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US Conservative said:
Flawed premise.

Didn't present a premise.

Grant · Aug 15, 2014

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Boo Radley said:
That's not really negotiation, but how were you on Reagan when he just appeased them?

Barrack Obama really didn't negotiate to have those five terrorists released?

Of course he did! And in fact he paraded his victorious negotiations at the White House for all the world to see!

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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Grant said:
Barrack Obama really didn't negotiate to have those five terrorists released?

Of course he did! And in fact he paraded his victorious negotiations at the White House for all the world to see!

No, he really didn't.

The difference with Bergdahl, as Obama argues, is that he wasn’t really a hostage grabbed by terrorists. He pretty neatly fit the classic definition of a prisoner of war. He had just left a military outpost in an obvious war zone while (presumably) wearing his uniform. History is loaded with examples of nations—including America—making deals to free their soldiers.

And however nasty the Taliban may be, it’s not really a “terrorist” enemy as we commonly understand the word.

Bowe Bergdahl: Obama Didn’t Negotiate With Taliban Terrorists - TIME

Conservative · Aug 15, 2014

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Boo Radley said:
Yes, and you can't beat them by beating countries. And I did answer. Look back and read.

Yes, you can certainly defeat countries as countries have defined leaders. Tell me who the leaders are of radical Islam and what would you negotiate? Do you have any idea what their ideology and goals are?

Conservative · Aug 15, 2014

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Boo Radley said:
That's not really negotiation, but how were you on Reagan when he just appeased them?

Reagan isn't in office but i find it quite telling how you always bring up the past and ignore the present showing how little you understand about leadership.

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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Conservative said:
Yes, you can certainly defeat countries as countries have defined leaders. Tell me who the leaders are of radical Islam and what would you negotiate? Do you have any idea what their ideology and goals are?

Not what I said. I said you can't defeat terrorism by defeating countries.

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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Conservative said:
Reagan isn't in office but i find it quite telling how you always bring up the past and ignore the present showing how little you understand about leadership.

Nope, but he did appease and you guys look up to him anyway. I'm pointing out a double standard.

Conservative · Aug 15, 2014

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Boo Radley said:
Not what I said. I said you can't defeat terrorism by defeating countries.

Needless to say Bush stopped the movement by winning the war, something you will never admit but "your" President lost the peace. The Status of Forces Agreement was signed in November 2008 and speculation on my part is that if Bush remained in office there would have been a contingency force remaining in Iraq and we wouldn't have the problems there we have today. "Your" President wanted no part of Iraq and couldn't care less about what he left although he called it one of his greatest accomplishments, an accomplishment which he is walking away from today again blaming Bush.

Conservative · Aug 15, 2014

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Boo Radley said:
Nope, but he did appease and you guys look up to him anyway. I'm pointing out a double standard.

Reagan was a leader, something you don't understand

Boo Radley · Aug 15, 2014

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Conservative said:
Needless to say Bush stopped the movement by winning the war, something you will never admit but "your" President lost the peace. The Status of Forces Agreement was signed in November 2008 and speculation on my part is that if Bush remained in office there would have been a contingency force remaining in Iraq and we wouldn't have the problems there we have today. "Your" President wanted no part of Iraq and couldn't care less about what he left although he called it one of his greatest accomplishments, an accomplishment which he is walking away from today again blaming Bush.

No he didn't. He trained the next generation. He stopped nothing.