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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You can't get your head out of the past long enough to see what's current. The President just got off the phone with King Abdullah of Jordan with promises of US defense. The UN couldn't beat up a wet napkin compared to us, nor are they positioned to act quickly.

    The Pentagon has been watching this situation for years and months, knowing they might have to act. It's not matter of "if", it's only a matter of 'when'.

    Stand up to the Russians, huh? Now you're showing your naivete and lack of geopolitical comprehension, because that ain't happening.
    Not living in the past and no interest in returning to the past.

    My suggestions related to the UN were to assist the US in avoiding another unilateral action that would provide your country with no benefit and an infinite potential for being blamed again.
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

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    I hope you mean incompetence
    Take your pick.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not living in the past and no interest in returning to the past.

    My suggestions related to the UN were to assist the US in avoiding another unilateral action that would provide your country with no benefit and an infinite potential for being blamed again.

    Blamed by who for what? For trying to make the world a safer place? The first Wars may have been ill advised but they weren't done to hurt innocent people.

    The UN has become almost strictly concerned with Europe and 3rd world countries that affect it. Between arming the Kurds in the north, prodding the Iraqi ground troops from the south and US air support we can bring the wampum.
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Blamed by who for what? For trying to make the world a safer place? The first Wars may have been ill advised but they weren't done to hurt innocent people.

    The UN has become almost strictly concerned with Europe and 3rd world countries that affect it. Between arming the Kurds in the north, prodding the Iraqi ground troops from the south and US air support we can bring the wampum.
    I have no problem assisting the Kurds, arming them and providing tactical assistance and guidance. From my perspective, the Kurds are the only honest party in this whole mess. But the Kurds decided that they would back out of the central Iraqi government and retrench into their own area. If I'm not mistaken, they even officially or unofficially declared their part of the country as a separate entity. In my view, providing military support to the Kurds could set up the US for danger with the Turkish government who remains deeply concerned about the Kurdish elements within Turkey's borders attempting to secede and join in a larger Kurdish country.

    I think what your seeing here is the result of inattention. My point, and I appreciate you don't agree, is that it is more to the benefit of America to stay out of this militarily at this point. It is impossible to know what the various outcomes will be going forward and what the impact of each outcome may be. I think it's too late now.
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not living in the past and no interest in returning to the past.

    My suggestions related to the UN were to assist the US in avoiding another unilateral action that would provide your country with no benefit and an infinite potential for being blamed again.
    Greetings, CJ.

    My questions here are why we are doing this unilaterally? What are the reasons that our allies are not backing this action and joining us?

    Since I don't know the answers to those questions, I have come to the conclusion that the US is going to be blamed either way. Acting alone makes us look like aggressors by one side or the other, even though this is supposedly a humanitarian effort. So are we going to continue to help the people trapped in the mountains, or is this it? They're going to be hungry and thirsty next week too, if we don't get them out of harm's way. If we don't act, we are somehow shirking our duty, but our allies apparently don't agree with us. Maybe if we didn't have the reputation for being "policeman to the world," things would be different, but they sure don't have a problem expecting our help when they need it.

    And lastly, our being invaded by thousands upon thousands of illegal children and adults, and being forced to feed, clothe, and house them was also called a "humanitarian crisis." Those words seem to be coming up a lot lately in the news.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I have no problem assisting the Kurds, arming them and providing tactical assistance and guidance. From my perspective, the Kurds are the only honest party in this whole mess. But the Kurds decided that they would back out of the central Iraqi government and retrench into their own area. If I'm not mistaken, they even officially or unofficially declared their part of the country as a separate entity. In my view, providing military support to the Kurds could set up the US for danger with the Turkish government who remains deeply concerned about the Kurdish elements within Turkey's borders attempting to secede and join in a larger Kurdish country.

    I think what your seeing here is the result of inattention. My point, and I appreciate you don't agree, is that it is more to the benefit of America to stay out of this militarily at this point. It is impossible to know what the various outcomes will be going forward and what the impact of each outcome may be. I think it's too late now.
    That's baloney, Maliki cut them off financially over a year ago. We sent all kinds of arms and supplies to central Baghdad for the Kurds that they never received. Turkey only has the Kurds between them and ISIS, and are probably damn happy about it right now.

    It's the results of sectarian division and governmental corruption. It's too late for what? I guarantee, if some terrorists bombed the crap of Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec City or Toronto you'd change your mind?
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't "fib" at all nor did I contradict myself - I read your post - it has one line and then a link entitled US, no source, nothing to explain what it is. I have no intention of going on a chase of your choosing. If you've got a point to make, make it.

    Riiiiight.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Canada was never officially there. Canada was not part of the coalition and initial American adventure into Iraq although we did, secretly, provide logistical and naval support to the operation from our resources in the region at the time.

    Apparently, this is another issue you're woefully ill informed about.
    Really? You have an embassy in Erbil. And you lost troops in Iraq. Way to insult their deaths.

    The U.S. was never officially in Cambodia either but my dad was deployed there for a year.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    If the goal to prevent further genocide why didn't America foam a coalition months ago when ISIS crossed the border into Iraq? BTW this genocide was happening all along in Syria.
    When America is strong the world is calm, When America is weak tyrants and terrorist slaughter the meek. ~ SgtRock

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    The pull out by Bush was planned to have a force left behind and keep airfields occupied, but no Obama pulled out everything. And now he has to gone back in with ground troops and now with planes from a ship. Of course Obama calls our ground troops "advisers."
    The fact that we are even THERE is evidence of Obama's failure-he wanted out despite the fact that terrorists were expanding across the middle east-and more political purposes-he wanted to be the president that ended the iraq war-even if that meant abandoning the nation to "end" the war-remember when "WIN" the war was the goal?

    And he's going to do the same in afghanistan-what an utterly destructive and inept President.

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