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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't even know if my opinion of actively pushing ISIS back into Syria is a long term solution or the right one. They may (not likely) stop advancing on their own and be satisfied with the land and resources they've acquired. But this group so far has shown a complete disregard for any other nation, religion or power.
    To my knowledge, ISIS is a loose affiliation of bad actors with no one place to call home looking to set up a caliphate on any land they're capable of securing. Their total adhesion is to religious fanaticism. They are likely to do a great deal of damage in their 15 minutes of fame but I don't see them lasting or having the ability to formalize a lasting, cohesive, prosperous entity going forward. They are currently armed by Iran and financed through plunder - that is not a recipe for success. But if you want them to prosper, just have America get back in the mess and watch them coalesce as one big happy group of America's enemies.

    Iran is playing it smart, arming them and providing tactical advice. America should do the same, if it wants to get involved. You won't see Iran mounting military offensives in defense of ISIS - why should America mount military offensives in defense of their enemies?
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Because, as we all know, Obama is powerless to go against a Bush plan...

    The issue with the pullout is that Obama didn't seek a SOFA in order to keep troops in place in Iraq for the foreseeable future to keep these kinds of campaigns from happening.

    A good deal of the blame lies with the idiotic Iraqi government who wanted to throw out America so it could look butch, and part of the blame lies with Obama for not pressing the issue.

    Obama could likely get that SOFA signed now, but he won't do it.

    The people of Iraq are saddled with two countries worth of inept politicians in charge.
    We trained their troops for close to ten years. How many years would a reasonable person think we should stay and continue to bleed our treasury? The American people wanted out and he campaigned he would get us out. That's one of the reasons he was elected. What's to blame?

    At least he kept his word unlike Nixon.
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Bush didn't plan the pull out. That was an Obama campaign promise, remember? What Bush did was sign an agreement to leave forces in Iraq, well into Obama's term of office, but leave it up to Obama to determine if and under what terms the troops would remain. Did you think Bush could sign an agreement that bound both America and Iraq to troops in Iraq forever and ever?
    Please read post number 92!

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Please read post number 92!
    Read it - tells me nothing.

    I'm not clicking on a link that isn't properly identified by source.

    Besides, I know all I need to know about the issue to make a valid observation.
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As I said, there's nothing new in the ME that wasn't there when Obama made his speech in Egypt in 2009. The only difference is that Obama abandoned the region and now that abandonment is coming home to bite. It's the original point I made about Obama not having a big-picture goal/strategy and now he's just tossing things up hoping something will stick and stop the damage getting worse.
    Well that's just cheery coming from a Canadian. Perhaps the Canadians should have stayed longer too. Seems you guys left long before we pulled out.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Read it - tells me nothing.

    I'm not clicking on a link that isn't properly identified by source.

    Besides, I know all I need to know about the issue to make a valid observation.

    You just contradicted yourself. Read it, than said no I'm not clicking on the link. Fib much?

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sure sounds like Bush and the Pentagon were planning to pull out, right?
    You bet they were.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sure sounds like Bush and the Pentagon were planning to pull out, right?
    Yes, they certainly were, with the exception of 70,000 troops.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Please read post number 92!
    Please your own link on that post. I quoted from it 10 posts later.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You bet they were.
    Why not read your own link? You can see that they expected to leave men behind, thousands of them!

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