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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Since he's going to be locked up for a while, what danger is he right now?

    Explain that to us.
    I said the danger he represents, not the danger he is.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The lesson from this is that if you don't want to end up behind bars-don't shoot everyone who pounds on your door, no matter what color their skin is.
    I saw no evidence indicating that race was an element in his decision process.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    First of all, that's not a white guy. He looks Spanish/Italian to me.


    Secondly, the jist is he was startled awake and shot through his front door, right?



    Spanish/Italian people aren't white/Caucasian?

    I'm sure that will come as a shock to millions of Americans.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If you have a problem with it, let's see you change it.

    The man had his day in court and he lost.

    Think about the results of this incident the next time that anyone pounds on your door.

    Think hard.
    Being twice held responsible for the same actions, wait and see if he has another day in court.


    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    no matter what color their skin is.
    Wtf does skin color have to do with it?
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What exactly is it you think you are refuting?
    I know what was presented, which is why I was able to correct the other poster.
    There was no evidence that she was seeking help at Mr.Wafer's residence. The only such evidence was that she refused assistance when it was offered earlier.

    And no one said she did break-in. But it was evident that she was trying to get in, nor was she simply knocking.

    Juries get things wrong all the time. This is just another example of it.

    Had he not changed his account, it would have been a straight manslaughter verdict.



    And if your aunt was a man then s/he would be your auncle, eh?

    The court decided this case based on reality, not on what might have been.

    Remember this case the next time that someone pounds on your door.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The court decided this case based on reality, not on what might have been.

    The jury decided this issue.
    "Juries get things wrong all the time. This is just another example of it."
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Being twice held responsible for the same actions, wait and see if he has another day in court.

    Wtf does skin color have to do with it?



    I'm going to let you figure that out, if you frickin' can.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Remember this case the next time that someone pounds on your door.
    She was trying to get in.

    So the only thing you appear to be saying is, that one should keep in mind when confronted with a person who is trying to get in, is to invite them in first before pulling the trigger.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm going to let you figure that out, if you frickin' can.
    Your display of a racist attitude is nothing to figure out, especially as race played no issue in this case.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    She was trying to get in.

    So the only thing you appear to be saying is, that one should keep in mind when confronted with a person who is trying to get in, is to invite them in first before pulling the trigger.



    Those are your words.

    That's not what I said.

    Do whatever you think that you can get away with, but be prepared to bear the consequences if the court sees it a different way.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Wow, Michigan has a strange penalty for second degree murder:

    Michigan Legislature - Section 750.317

    Michigan defines a life sentence as 25 years. But... the Court can evidently sentence him to any lesser penalty that it sees fit. In short, it appears possible (though not very likely) to get a one year sentence.
    I don't know enough of the facts of this case, but I remember discussion it when it happened. I don't understand the second degree verdict. I can understand voluntary manslaughter, but not second degree murder.

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