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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No such intent was demonstrated in this case.
    She was murdered because she knocked on his door and she was black.
    Nothing else could be shown.
    Knock off the nonsense. She wasn't killed because she was black.
    And no, it wasn't shown in trial or anywhere else.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Justice has been served, and the asshole who shot the unarmed woman, whose only crime was to seek help after her car broke down, is going to do hard time.

    Article is here.
    The "article" you linked to is only 1 sentence long.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    And? What does the conviction have to do with your false spin?
    There was no evidence that she was seeking any help.
    So what is it you do not understand about that claim being spin?


    Odd, it is almost like you are trying to find information to back up your spin.
    Sorry, the only thing that exists are opinions that she may have been looking for help, which is not evidence.
    Which also flies in the face of the evidence that she turned down offers of help.
    None of that really mattered in the trial. Largely the case was made on the fact a person shot an unarmed person. Not for breaking into his house, but for knocking or beating on his door early the morning. They made their case that her actions, based largely on his account, did not warrant lethal force.
    What exactly is it you think you are refuting?
    I know what was presented, which is why I was able to correct the other poster.
    There was no evidence that she was seeking help at Mr.Wafer's residence. The only such evidence was that she refused assistance when it was offered earlier.

    And no one said she did break-in. But it was evident that she was trying to get in, nor was she simply knocking.

    Juries get things wrong all the time. This is just another example of it.

    Had he not changed his account, it would have been a straight manslaughter verdict.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    First of all, that's not a white guy. He looks Spanish/Italian to me.

    Secondly, the jist is he was startled awake and shot through his front door, right?

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Secondly, the jist is he was startled awake and shot through his front door, right?
    Shot through the outside screen door after she jumped up and startled him.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Justice served?

    1.) He wasn't an asshole.
    2.) Someone calling him one though?

    There was no evidence that she was seeking help. None. So stop with the spin.

    That said; He should have stuck with what he initially said. Accidental discharge, as that could only be manslaughter.



    If you have a problem with it, let's see you change it.

    The man had his day in court and he lost.

    Think about the results of this incident the next time that anyone pounds on your door.

    Think hard.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Shot through the outside screen door after she jumped up and startled him.
    So she hadn't broken his noes, she hadn't knocked him to the floor, she wasn't raining down MMA style blows, she wasn't smashing his head against a hard surface, at no point did she plug his noes & mouth and say anything to the effect of "you're gona die tonight mothuh****er"?

    Just being startled doesn't justify shooting someone. You have to posativly identify the threat. So what threat was this girl?
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Think about the results of this incident the next time that anyone pounds on your door.
    Or the next time you want to smoke weed, drink vodka, and drive. There's a lot of ways this girl could have ended up in the morgue that night. She makes a poor gun controle poster-child. The danger to the public this guy represents is accidental, but her public danger was on purpose.

    I'll take the startled trigger finger over the drunk driver anyday.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Or the next time you want to smoke weed, drink vodka, and drive. There's a lot of ways this girl could have ended up in the morgue that night. She makes a poor gun controle poster-child.
    The danger to the public this guy represents is accidental,
    but her public danger was on purpose.

    I'll take the startled trigger finger over the drunk driver anyday.



    Since he's going to be locked up for a while, what danger is he right now?

    Explain that to us.

    The lesson from this is that if you don't want to end up behind bars-don't shoot everyone who pounds on your door, no matter what color their skin is.




    Anyone who doesn't get that message is out of touch with reality.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So she hadn't broken his noes, she hadn't knocked him to the floor, she wasn't raining down MMA style blows, she wasn't smashing his head against a hard surface, at no point did she plug his noes & mouth and say anything to the effect of "you're gona die tonight mothuh****er"?

    Just being startled doesn't justify shooting someone. You have to posativly identify the threat. So what threat was this girl?
    You asked a question and I answered it. Now all you are doing is playing a game.

    It appeared as though she was trying to break-in, when he went to investigate, she jumped up at him which startled him, and he fired.
    He originally stated that the gun accidentally fired. That would make it manslaughter under Mich law.
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