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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I have no idea what you said. You're saying you said manslaughter. I remember you arguing he wasn't guilty of a thing. *shrug*

    However, he was convicted of 2nd Degree Murder. Now, if you're going to argue that manslaughter is the same as 2nd Degree Murder. Argue with yourself.
    Wow. Your memory of what you think has been said, and that which was actually said is clearly two different things. Why do you constantly do that?

    I am on the record from the get saying he was guilty of manslaughter because of his statement saying it was an accidental shooting.
    So where you get off with this bs, I have no clue.

    And since you obviously do not know, and obviously didn't bother to check when you were asked (which should have been a clue to check ), he was also convicted of manslaughter, which is what I said he was guilty of.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    >Drunk woman shows up on your porch.
    >Shoots and kills her.

    I don't understand some people and the folks that defend this sort of stuff. Right wingers pick the wrong people to defend.
    I think the guy reacted out of fear. He didn't have any priors, and wasn't known to be a violent man. Had he walked down the street and shot her bc she was loud and obnoxious he'd be a cold blooded murderer. Whether we think his fear was logical doesn't negate that it's a plausible reason why he shot her. She wasn't doing anything wrong but he didn't know that. Of course I could be wrong and the guy could be trigger happy but I didn't see any patterns of strange or dangerous behavior brought up.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I think the guy reacted out of fear. He didn't have any priors, and wasn't known to be a violent man. Had he walked down the street and shot her bc she was loud and obnoxious he'd be a cold blooded murderer. Whether we think his fear was logical doesn't negate that it's a plausible reason why he shot her. She wasn't doing anything wrong but he didn't know that. Of course I could be wrong and the guy could be trigger happy but I didn't see any patterns of strange or dangerous behavior brought up.
    Personally, I think that anybody who lives in the hell that is Detroit should be convicted on a curve, when it comes to protecting their home. Chances are, at 430 in the morning, in Detroit? Something bad is about to happen. I guarantee you that it's not somebody banging on your door with a check from Publisher's Clearing House.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Personally, I think that anybody who lives in the hell that is Detroit should be convicted on a curve, when it comes to protecting their home. Chances are, at 430 in the morning, in Detroit? Something bad is about to happen. I guarantee you that it's not somebody banging on your door with a check from Publisher's Clearing House.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm on your side, more or less. You can't shoot everybody who knocks on your door.
    What's next - shoot anyone on the street who MIGHT be a threat to you?



    I'm sure that a few people would support that idea.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wow. Your memory of what you think has been said, and that which was actually said is clearly two different things. Why do you constantly do that?

    I am on the record from the get saying he was guilty of manslaughter because of his statement saying it was an accidental shooting.
    So where you get off with this bs, I have no clue.

    And since you obviously do not know, and obviously didn't bother to check when you were asked (which should have been a clue to check ), he was also convicted of manslaughter, which is what I said he was guilty of.
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    And even if it was purposely aimed, it is manslaughter. Not Muder2.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And even if it was purposely aimed, it is manslaughter. Not Muder2.
    You were saying?
    And?
    Are you unable to recognize that that is an argument as to how the law would apply or not and not of what a jury would decide?
    I clearly said it was manslaughter, which he was found guilty of, which is not me being wrong.
    Secondly, you are pointing to arguments made before he changed his story. Had he not, it would have been straight manslaughter.
    All you are doing is being ridiculous because you didn't know he was found guilty of both.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And?
    Are you unable to recognize that that is an argument of the law, not of what a jury would decide?
    I clearly said it was manslaughter, which he was found guilty of, which is not me being wrong.
    Secondly, you are pointing to arguments made before he changed his story. Had he not, it would have been straight manslaughter.
    All you are doing is being ridiculous because you didn't know he was found guilty of both.
    I agree. He screwed himself by changing his story. It rendered everything he said suspect.

    I believe the jury found intent in his actions. Hence to murder conviction. He should have pled guilty to manslaughter. IIRC, there was such an offer on the table.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Personally, I think that anybody who lives in the hell that is Detroit should be convicted on a curve, when it comes to protecting their home. Chances are, at 430 in the morning, in Detroit? Something bad is about to happen. I guarantee you that it's not somebody banging on your door with a check from Publisher's Clearing House.
    Yea, I don't understand why he would shoot just to be shooting. I think if he was a woman he would have gotten off. I think more people are sympathetic and understanding. It's more believable I guess if a woman is afraid for her life. Shrugs

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