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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm on your side, more or less. You can't shoot everybody who knocks on your door. What's next - shoot anyone on the street who MIGHT be a threat to you?
    Wafer's defense was just that. He was "worried" that she "might" break in... and "worried" that she "might" harm him.
    The gun nuts, who defend his murderous actions, would have everyone shooting everyone that worried them about what they might do.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Wafer's defense was just that. He was "worried" that she "might" break in... and "worried" that she "might" harm him.
    The gun nuts, who defend his murderous actions, would have everyone shooting everyone that worried them about what they might do.
    I think the guy, as the story was presented, was completely wrong. I agree with the verdict.

    Can I see a similar circumstance where it might have been excusable? Yes, I can. But not an unarmed woman against a man behind a locked door.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Yes it was accepted. At no time in the trial was his account of the night brought into question. Everyone understood what happened. this trial was not about what happened, it was about whether his reaction to the situation was legal or not. It was not.
    Again no. Had they accepted it, you would have seen a not guilty verdict.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post


    IOW, Excon, you were wrong. Just don't want you to miss that. Know what I mean?
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    Really MaggieD?
    Was he, or was he not found guilty of manslaughter as I said he was guilty of?
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    iLOL
    Really MaggieD?
    Was he, or was he not found guilty of manslaughter as I said he was guilty of?
    He was convicted of 2nd degree murder.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Again no. Had they accepted it, you would have seen a not guilty verdict.
    That's not true at all. They accepted what had happened. What they didn't accept was that his life was in danger.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He was convicted of 2nd degree murder.
    Again MaggieD, was he, or was he not found guilty of manslaughter as I said he was guilty of?
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    That's not true at all. They accepted what had happened. What they didn't accept was that his life was in danger.

    Yes that is true.
    Had they accepted it, you would have seen a not guilty verdict.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Again MaggieD, was he, or was he not found guilty of manslaughter as I said he was guilty of?
    I have no idea what you said. You're saying you said manslaughter. I remember you arguing he wasn't guilty of a thing. *shrug*

    However, he was convicted of 2nd Degree Murder. Now, if you're going to argue that manslaughter is the same as 2nd Degree Murder. Argue with yourself.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    I'm surprised at the ruling. I thought he was gonna get off light. If I could ask him one question, I'd ask why he lied.. Why he changed his story. Would he have felt like a wimp if he just said he was scared and not thinking? He probably would have gotten off lighter if he was just honest... If that was truly the case.
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