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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    CON poppycock...

    The message is simple, an intruder INSIDE your home is DRT. YOU open your front door and shoot through a screen door you SHOULD hesitate BEFORE you open the door and remove a solid protective barrier.

    People should 'hesitate' and EVALUATE the person for a threat before using deadly force.

    Firearm owners should ALWAYS 'hesitate' before using deadly force outside the home and take time to ensure the use of deadly force is warranted.

    But as far as a home invader scenario is concerned, nothing changed, as far as shooting people standing outside your home....
    Reminds me of a sick joke I heard years ago, now I'm showing everyone how aged I am.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The facts of the trial are not at all clear to me yet. I would've guessed voluntary manslaughter too and am surprised by the second-degree conviction.
    The trial was pretty well covered and while there was evidence, there wasn't a ton of it. The damning evidence was his telling what happened. He (the shooter) stated that there was someone beating loudly on his door and moving around outside his house. They started beating on his door again. He was afraid they were going to break in, and was worried there were multiple people out there. So he shot. She died. As I keep saying there was not much arguing about the facts. The defense and prosecution argued about her intention but in the end he didn't know who she was, where she broke down or any thing else like that. The jury ruled that you cannot kill someone for banging on your door or walking around to the side of your house. That itself is not a threat that warrants lethal force. He was not in immediate danger.

    I was surprised by the 2nd degree verdict as well, but I cant really say the jury got it wrong.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong. The broken screen and the boot mark combined with the banging (of not only the door) is evidence of trying to get in. Trying to get into a place she did not belong.


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    No it wasn't accepted.
    Had it been, you would have seen a not guilty of murder verdict.
    Not a screwy guilty of both, which is really an impossibility.
    Yes it was accepted. At no time in the trial was his account of the night brought into question. Everyone understood what happened. this trial was not about what happened, it was about whether his reaction to the situation was legal or not. It was not.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Don't forget stupidity. Only a fool would do what this Neanderthal did and shoot this girl through the door.

    Does it make you feel better to call names? Two peoples lives are ruined because Detroit is a cesspool. The girl who got killed, and the man who was scared enough to grab a weapon in response to pounding on his door...
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Justice served?
    1.) He wasn't an asshole.
    2.) Someone calling him one though?

    There was no evidence that she was seeking help. None. So stop with the spin.

    That said; He should have stuck with what he initially said. Accidental discharge, as that could only be manslaughter.


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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Justice has been served, and the asshole who shot the unarmed woman, whose only crime was to seek help after her car broke down, is going to do hard time.

    Article is here.
    Great news, people like that need to be punished for their misdeeds.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    CON poppycock...

    The message is simple, an intruder INSIDE your home is DRT. YOU open your front door and shoot through a screen door you SHOULD hesitate BEFORE you open the door and remove a solid protective barrier.

    People should 'hesitate' and EVALUATE the person for a threat before using deadly force.

    Firearm owners should ALWAYS 'hesitate' before using deadly force outside the home and take time to ensure the use of deadly force is warranted.

    But as far as a home invader scenario is concerned, nothing changed, as far as shooting people standing outside your home....
    Go ahead hesitate if you want. Give the bad guy a vouple seconds head start on you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm surprised that racism hasn't reared it's ugly head in this.
    They beat the brakes off of that in the half dozen other threads about this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And then there's the muddy footprint on the a/c unit that wasn't properly processed as evidence. I know I keep going on about this, but it's a game-changer, at least for me. There's pounding on a door in the middle of the night (no testimony, insofar as I'm aware, of McBride hollering "Help me!"), and then there's somebody standing on your outside a/c unit and perhaps looking into your bedroom.

    I am not supporting Wafer's shooting. I don't understand his saying that it was an "accident" and that he didn't know the gun was loaded. How irresponsible is this? Why couldn't he find his cell if he were able to locate his weapon? Why didn't he call 9-1-1?

    At the same time, somebody beating on my door and on windows too would scare the heck out of me in the middle of the night.
    Agreed.

    The fact that he changed his story several times hurt him, as it should.

    The fact that they waited 2 weeks, and then charged him due to public pressure was BS.

    I do wonder, though, if the guilty verdict was a result of fear by the jury of public retaliation to some degree.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    >Drunk woman shows up on your porch.
    >Shoots and kills her.

    I don't understand some people and the folks that defend this sort of stuff. Right wingers pick the wrong people to defend.
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