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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anti-gunners hate gun owners, anyway. Since owning a gun is a civil right, I'n not interested in how this dude made us look.
    I am. The media feeds on it, and anti-gunners get all worked up, and then we have to hear about more and more 'laws' being proposed. It is possible for momentum to build....who needs each of these stupid little incidents eating away at our 2A related laws in every state?

    Not only that, I dont feel that gun owners should just 'knee jerk' look to excuse or make excuses/rationalize poor behavior and poor judgement. It just hurts our credibility to be seen as sweeping things under the rug and not addressing real events head on.

    Just IMO.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I am. The media feeds on it, and anti-gunners get all worked up, and then we have to hear about more and more 'laws' being proposed. It is possible for momentum to build....who needs each of these stupid little incidents eating away at our 2A related laws in every state?

    Not only that, I dont feel that gun owners should just 'knee jerk' look to excuse or make excuses/rationalize poor behavior and poor judgement. It just hurts our credibility to be seen as sweeping things under the rug and not addressing real events head on.

    Just IMO.



    Don't worry about a thing, if anyone knocks on your door too hard, just do what you have to do and let apdst deal with the backwash.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong, I'm a 71-year old guy who's a grump everyday because reality is an unforgiving bitch that has zero patience for losers.
    I'm confused. How does your being a grump every day make my statement that you are a grump today wrong? Just because reality is an unforgiving ***** that has zero patience for losers doesn't give you an excuse to act like a combative ***** who goes out of his way to pick fights with well-intentioned internet forum posters. Goodness, being 71 years old can excuse a lot of inappropriate social behaviors, but it doesn't excuse that behavior.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm on your side, more or less. You can't shoot everybody who knocks on your door.
    What's next - shoot anyone on the street who MIGHT be a threat to you?





    If they're trying to occupy the same space that you're occupying you just might need to send them a message that they can't ignore with a magazine full of hot lead.

    Some people call that standing your ground.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    I'm confused. How does your being a grump every day make my statement that you are a grump today wrong? Just because reality is an unforgiving ***** that has zero patience for losers doesn't give you an excuse to act like a combative ***** who goes out of his way to pick fights with well-intentioned internet forum posters. Goodness, being 71 years old can excuse a lot of inappropriate social behaviors,
    but it doesn't excuse that behavior.


    What you have posted is all your opinion, which you are entitled to and I will ignore.

    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Where did you read that the shooter was drunk and high? From what I read, he was asleep at 430am, when he heard a knock on his door.
    Actually he said he heard pounding on multiple windows and doors, rather than just a knock on the door. Big difference.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The earlier "accidental discharge" defense actually worked against him.
    The act of pointing the shotgun at a person with the safety off, made him guilty of involuntary manslaughter. But when he said "I raised the gun and shot", convicted him on second degree murder as well.
    Wafer never said that he feared for his life. He testified that he was "worried" that someone might break in and that he was "worried " that he may be harmed.
    Worry is not a threat. Worry about what someone might do is not grounds for self defense.
    Renisha McBride | Theodore Wafer | Closing Arguments
    It also came out in testimony that Wafer was angry and looking for a confrontation because his car had been vandalized by kids shooting paintball guns at it.
    Just another reason why every gun owner needs to know the laws, and to NOT talk to the police without a lawyer, preferably one well-educated in gun law.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Actually he said he heard pounding on multiple windows and doors, rather than just a knock on the door. Big difference.
    And then there's the muddy footprint on the a/c unit that wasn't properly processed as evidence. I know I keep going on about this, but it's a game-changer, at least for me. There's pounding on a door in the middle of the night (no testimony, insofar as I'm aware, of McBride hollering "Help me!"), and then there's somebody standing on your outside a/c unit and perhaps looking into your bedroom.

    I am not supporting Wafer's shooting. I don't understand his saying that it was an "accident" and that he didn't know the gun was loaded. How irresponsible is this? Why couldn't he find his cell if he were able to locate his weapon? Why didn't he call 9-1-1?

    At the same time, somebody beating on my door and on windows too would scare the heck out of me in the middle of the night.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's the message that will be received. Now, people aren't going to know if they're over-reacting and they're going to hesitate.
    CON poppycock...

    The message is simple, an intruder INSIDE your home is DRT. YOU open your front door and shoot through a screen door you SHOULD hesitate BEFORE you open the door and remove a solid protective barrier.

    People should 'hesitate' and EVALUATE the person for a threat before using deadly force.

    Firearm owners should ALWAYS 'hesitate' before using deadly force outside the home and take time to ensure the use of deadly force is warranted.

    But as far as a home invader scenario is concerned, nothing changed, as far as shooting people standing outside your home....

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    So reading about his testimony (found a live blog recap from the Detroit Free Press), he fell asleep in a recliner, and didn't see anything indicating he was in his bed or thus likely bedroom, no idea where people/media got that unless missed something? Oh and he had been drinking earlier, but it was almost 12 hours prior iirc.

    He hadn't put his phone on the charger by his recliner, felt for it when woken up and just felt the charger. Got up and turned off the hall light, looked for the phone in the kitchen and didn't find it. Doesn't say how long he stood in the kitchen afterwards. Banging stops for a few seconds, then starts again. He goes and guess first grabs a bat, then gets the gun instead. Normally doesn't keep it loaded, had loaded after the paintball incident though. Opens the door to get a look (also I guess because he didn't want to cower in his house?), person comes running from the side door and he shoots in fear/as a reflex. They fall back, he puts the weapon down, sees the boots look like those of a female. He then goes to find his phone (again), finds it in the pocket of his pants hanging in the bathroom.
    Says he can't replicate the noise in the courtroom. Oh also didn't look out the windows or call out afraid it'd give away his position in the house.


    The problem I have is I'd think if someone in banging loudly on my door I'm going to frantically search everywhere for my phone to call 9-1-1, and certainly not going to open the door to try to get a peak and/or not cower in the house. I don't fault for not calling out or looking out the window, I wouldn't either. Not so much for the reason of giving away position though.

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