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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If he had been found innocent....gun owners would have looked better?

    George Zimmerman didnt do cc permit holders any favors.
    Anti-gunners hate gun owners, anyway. Since owning a gun is a civil right, I'n not interested in how this dude made us look.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    The prosecutor impeached Wafer’s credibility, saying he had used certain “buzzwords” in front of the jury, and that he had every reason to lie to “save his own skin.”

    He then touched on the instruction for “false exculpatory statements,” which provides that if the jury believes the defendant lied about an earlier excuse for a crime they can interpret that as consciousness of guilt evidence. In this case, Muscat argues that Wafer first tried to advance an accident defense, and only later self-defense, and that the first was a false exculpatory statement from which they should infer Wafer’s guilt.

    Muscat then spoke to self-defense, noting that at the time you use deadly force in self-defense you have to reasonably believe you are facing death or great bodily harm. Wafer, however, did not have to use deadly force immediately, “He had many other options,” and his use of deadly force was “reckless, it was negligent.” Wafer, he said, engaged with McBride and through his actions “creates the confrontation.” His actions were “unnecessary, unjustified, and unreasonable.”
    The earlier "accidental discharge" defense actually worked against him.
    The act of pointing the shotgun at a person with the safety off, made him guilty of involuntary manslaughter. But when he said "I raised the gun and shot", convicted him on second degree murder as well.
    Wafer never said that he feared for his life. He testified that he was "worried" that someone might break in and that he was "worried " that he may be harmed.
    Worry is not a threat. Worry about what someone might do is not grounds for self defense.
    Renisha McBride | Theodore Wafer | Closing Arguments
    It also came out in testimony that Wafer was angry and looking for a confrontation because his car had been vandalized by kids shooting paintball guns at it.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If you don't hesitate before shooting another human being, you shouldn't have a gun.
    Speaking of over-reacting.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Not surprised, but saddened for both parties none the less
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    This whole thing is confusing to me. The teen crashed her car, according to the media, several hours earlier, yet all of a sudden she is knocking on a stranger's door, drunk and high, asking for help? She rear-ended a car a few hours before she landed on the man's doorstep, and it was a half-mile away. What the hell was she doing during that time? The woman whose car she ran into said she was going to call for help for her, and McBride said she was going to walk home and didn't need the woman's help.

    Several hours, and a half-mile later, she ended up at the home of the man who shot her.

    Things just seem off - like something isn't adding up.
    I hope the trial details will be published today. The prosecutors said that where she was during those missing hours might never be known. What is known is that at the time of her death, she was still over twice the legal alcohol limit.

    Where did she go? Was she passed out in the bushes somewhere, or did she catch a ride to another party, or what? What about the muddy footprint on the a/c unit?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/us...orch.html?_r=1

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Justice has been served, and the asshole who shot the unarmed woman, whose only crime was to seek help after her car broke down, is going to do hard time.

    Article is here.
    That's the entire article?
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's the entire article?
    A lot more information here;
    Renisha McBride | Theodore Wafer | Closing Arguments

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    I've found a site with links to trial details. Haven't clicked on any yet. Here's what the page I landed on says (in part):

    Verdict Indicates Jury Unanimously Rejected Self-Defense

    The jury’s verdict of guilty necessarily means that they unanimously agreed that state prosecutors had disproved self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt, as was the state’s burden.

    The most likely contributors to this conclusion discounting self-defense was Wafer’s early and multiple references to the shooting as an “accident”–which, as an unintentional event, is technically inconsistent with self-defense–and his unlocking and opening his front door, which may have been seen as being unreasonable in the face of a claimed threat.
    Renisha McBride | Theodore Wafer | Verdict: Guilty

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's the message that will be received. Now, people aren't going to know if they're over-reacting and they're going to hesitate.
    Good! Better to hesitate and be correct rather than murder an innocent person.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    I'm surprised that racism hasn't reared it's ugly head in this.
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