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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Again.
    We are speaking to his first statements of what happened. And you know that, so you have no point as it is invalid to that being discussed.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

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    Yes. Laugh off you being wrong again. It is funny and pretty much all you got.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes. Laugh off you being wrong again. It is funny and pretty much all you got.
    What I've "got", as you like to put it, is, the jury in his trial has agreed with what I said weeks ago ... that he is a murderer.
    Yeah, that's pretty much all I've "got"...
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    What I've "got", as you like to put it, is, the jury in his trial has agreed with what I said weeks ago ... that he is a murderer.
    Yeah, that's pretty much all I've got...

    No . All you have was being wrong in response to that being discussed, as shown. You were wrong.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No . All you have was being wrong in response to that being discussed, as shown. You were wrong.
    He is a murderer and I was correct about that weeks ago.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    He is a murderer and I was correct about that weeks ago.


    iLOL
    That has nothing to do with what you replied to. As shown.
    Do you not understand that?
    You were wrong. As shown.
    Stop deflecting with irrelevancy to that being discussed.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    That has nothing to do with what you replied to. As shown.
    Do you not understand that?
    You were wrong. As shown.
    Stop deflecting with irrelevancy to that being discussed.:
    We are discussing a murder.

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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    We are discussing a murder.

    No we were not. We were discussing a very specific statement regarding his initial statement. As previously shown.
    So let me show it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    He originally stated that the gun accidentally fired. That would make it manslaughter under Mich law.
    Guns don't "accidentally" fire themselves.
    He had to pull the trigger.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What exactly is it you think you are refuting?
    I know what was presented, which is why I was able to correct the other poster.
    There was no evidence that she was seeking help at Mr.Wafer's residence. The only such evidence was that she refused assistance when it was offered earlier.

    And no one said she did break-in. But it was evident that she was trying to get in, nor was she simply knocking.

    Juries get things wrong all the time. This is just another example of it.

    Had he not changed his account, it would have been a straight manslaughter verdict.
    None of that is evident. There was no evidence she was trying to break in. At least none that was presented at the trial. He openly stated he was worried she might try to break in and he was worried that there might be multiple people out there. Again, this was not a case built around speculation. His account of what happened was accepted. The jury found that based on his account the shooting and lethal force was not warranted.
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    Re: Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of second-degree murder in porch shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    None of that is evident. There was no evidence she was trying to break in. At least none that was presented at the trial.
    Wrong. The broken screen and the boot mark combined with the banging (of not only the door) is evidence of trying to get in. Trying to get into a place she did not belong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    He openly stated he was worried she might try to break in and he was worried that there might be multiple people out there. Again, this was not a case built around speculation. His account of what happened was accepted. The jury found that based on his account the shooting and lethal force was not warranted.
    .
    No it wasn't accepted.
    Had it been, you would have seen a not guilty of murder verdict.
    Not a screwy guilty of both, which is really an impossibility.
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