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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Also, I'm absolutely opposed to homosexuality - but I'm not God, nor Jesus but it just goes against my personal beliefs, however I have no problem with "gay marriage" - because others happiness doesn't affect me, if anything I'm happy that others are happy just as long as they aren't tormenting me or affecting me..

    And YES I do take massive offense to the gays and lesbians who have to make a political point by being over affectionate in public just to make a political point - and YES some do just that. Yeah kids makeout in public not adults.. Hell I cant recall the last time I have seen a straight adult couple just "making out" in public but gays do it all the time.

    I'm no prude either - I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with a kiss or holding hands but keep the semi-sexual make out sessions in your bedroom (or wherever it's appropriate).

    I have absolutely nothing against gays or lesbians as individuals but the public "political" statements they make with their aggressive affection with one another...

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Also, I'm absolutely opposed to homosexuality - but I'm not God, nor Jesus but it just goes against my personal beliefs, however I have no problem with "gay marriage" - because others happiness doesn't affect me, if anything I'm happy that others are happy just as long as they aren't tormenting me or affecting me..

    And YES I do take massive offense to the gays and lesbians who have to make a political point by being over affectionate in public just to make a political point - and YES some do just that. Yeah kids makeout in public not adults.. Hell I cant recall the last time I have seen a straight adult couple just "making out" in public but gays do it all the time.

    I'm no prude either - I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with a kiss or holding hands but keep the semi-sexual make out sessions in your bedroom (or wherever it's appropriate).

    I have absolutely nothing against gays or lesbians as individuals but the public "political" statements they make with their aggressive affection with one another...
    All I can say is... I agree with most of what you just said.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Also, I'm absolutely opposed to homosexuality - but I'm not God, nor Jesus but it just goes against my personal beliefs, however I have no problem with "gay marriage" - because others happiness doesn't affect me, if anything I'm happy that others are happy just as long as they aren't tormenting me or affecting me..

    And YES I do take massive offense to the gays and lesbians who have to make a political point by being over affectionate in public just to make a political point - and YES some do just that. Yeah kids makeout in public not adults.. Hell I cant recall the last time I have seen a straight adult couple just "making out" in public but gays do it all the time.

    I'm no prude either - I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with a kiss or holding hands but keep the semi-sexual make out sessions in your bedroom (or wherever it's appropriate).

    I have absolutely nothing against gays or lesbians as individuals but the public "political" statements they make with their aggressive affection with one another...
    I feel the same way about straight people overly demonstrating their affections in public

    I'm no prude either, so I look away. Easy.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Is there a reason it needs to be set in stone? Black and white?

    Should there be no room in our legal codes, institutions, protections, contracts for growth in society? Change?

    Does 'one size fits all' work for decades? A hundred years? More?
    Yes...actually...it does need to be black and white. Marriage is a construct that affects people in all 50 states. The court battles and voter battles go on forever. It isnt healthy. One way or the other it just needs to be decided, even if that decision is that the states have the right to make the rules laws and definitions or not.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    As it turns out, if you don't like seeing gay people being gay in public, that's your problem, not society's problem.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I feel the same way about straight people overly demonstrating their affections in public

    I'm no prude either, so I look away. Easy.
    The only straight people I see doing that nonsense are teenagers or drunk folk in bars...

    I'm sorry but some of the gay activists can put on a pseudo-porno show..... With the kids I just laugh and say to myself "I remember when I was 16" but homosexuals/lesbians making out as adults in public.... That is a big WTF to me - as it would be for a straight couple.. I view their public affection as a political statement.

    Trust me I would shake my head at a straight couple getting fond in public - and I'm far from a prude.

    Don't get me wrong, kisses are fine - they're wonderful but the whole ass grabbing and obvious tongue nonsense ..... It's just not cool and certainly not adult behavior straight or gay...

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That's an awful lot of words that aren't in the constitution that you're making up. Let's start with "inherited a good body of law". You mean English common law? Are you suggesting that another country's laws are binding in the US? And why would English common law refer to travel between states? England doesn't have states. Meanwhile, the ability by congress to regulate interstate commerce doesn't guarantee anyone the right to anything. Every court case that established protection for rights that aren't listed in the bill of rights came about from a state law stripping people of those rights and the federal government protecting them. Why do you put such blind faith in states? And why is it that the only complaints about supreme court authority is when their actions protect our rights? Don't we want more rights? Don't we want as much liberty as possible without infringing on anyone else's? How can restricting marriage possibly fit that maxim?
    Actually no, none of that is made up. And yes, we did inherit some English common law. Your post, which I was responding to, had a laundry list of items. No, you're correct, English common law does not guarantee freedom of movement. The US Constitution does, between states. Again the states' constitutions protect freedom of movement.

    But your major blind spot appears to be that you don't recognize we are a union of states, without the states there is no federal. The rights not enumerated in the US Constitution falls directly to the states and the people, not the feds. That's 10th amendment 101.

    And of course folks only complain about the SCOTUS when it commits hari kari on the constitution and don't say a peep when they are otherwise doing their job. Do I really need to explain why that is?

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Why should they be involved in the first place. All the federal benefits can revolve, like taxes, around how many people you support. This would actually make those systems far more fair and equal.

    As to that last, it's the throw in of "other characteristics" that doesn't work. I like living in a state with no sales tax, so I do. It's one of the wonders of being a union of states. There will be enough states that do license homosexual marriage.
    There are different ways that we support other people. And only marriage recognizes that spouses share their assets, expenses, and most of what they own, along with much more. This is why they have a choice unlike others. It isn't even guaranteed that filing married (either way) will benefit a couple nor that it will be a burden on the tax system. In fact, until recently, many couples together paid more being married than they did being two single people. This is still true for some married couples.

    What part of the "other characteristics" doesn't work? There is still legal, constitutional ways to restrict marriage based on those "other characteristics" so long as the government can meet the very low bar of showing that those restrictions further a legitimate state interest. This is why we allow restrictions based on mental capacity, age, number of spouses, location/residence, and close relations. However, we have also struck down restrictions that could not be shown to further a legitimate state interest, including restrictions based on owing child support or being incarcerated (with a chance of eventually being released). There will not be enough licenses for marriages because people cannot always live in a certain state. We are a single country, not a collection of small countries. States must abide by the US Constitution, including not treating people unequally under the law. (BTW, same sex marriage restrictions don't fall under the "other characteristics" category, it would fall under the "sex" category, since that is what the restriction is based off of, sex/gender of those wishing to enter into the marriage.)
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Allowing SSM is a 'benefit?'

    How so?
    Wrong track, follow the posts I was responding to.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    OK, but if it offers those benefits and legal protections in marriage, then it is discrimination to deny them to gays that want to marry.
    Not unconstitutional discrimination, but the sort we do every day as part of life on the planet. We discriminate between what we think is bad versus what we think is good. What appeals to us and what does not.

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