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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Those examples are cases that wouldn't be allowed, much like how you described. Sorry, but your side is going to rightfully lose this one. Deal with it, it is coming. I'll take a nice toast to all the anti-SSM people when it happens as well.

    Well of course you feel this way.. However, no comment on how the courts should be dealing with these litigations?


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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well of course you feel this way.. However, no comment on how the courts should be dealing with these litigations?


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    They should rule that SSM is legal.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Maybe it is time our government(s) stop defining or acknowledging marriage.
    Why? That's an idiotic idea.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    They should rule that SSM is legal.
    No, the legislature decides what is legal when it makes laws. The courts either uphold the law or dismiss the law as a violation of some other law, in this case they seem to suggest thus far that the "violation" by not creating a right that does not exist is in direct contradiction to the US Constitution, specifically the Due Process clause, and 14th Amendment. What I'm saying is that the USSC court can boot this back to the legislatures based on my simple argument above. These courts all seem to think that they can create a right, in-law, by inference. The inference is that gays are being unfairly treated based on their gender, yet, as I've demonstrated, both men and women are equally limited by their gender. In short, there is no violation of Due process (State and or Federal Legislative authority to decide laws) nor is there any violation of the 14th Amendment. If both men and women are equally limited, there is no gender discrimination, and thus gays must prove that it is more than just gender that defines their inequitable treatment.

    I think they'll have a hard time on that point since sexual orientation is not a protected class.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    government can never stop protecting contracts, I have no idea why anybody even tries to suggest something so asinine.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They're libertarians. They don't have to make sense.
    all libertarians arent the same though, many actually do care about rights/freedom/constitution.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why? Marriage is an important part of a stable family unit, which is important to society. It should be encouraged.
    The same way businesses often get tax breaks to open in certain areas. They are generally of positive benefit to society and therefore are encouraged.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    all libertarians arent the same though, many actually do care about rights/freedom/constitution.
    Some do, some don't. Lots of people stamp the label LIBERTARIAN on their forehead and don't agree with anyone else with that label.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, there is no federal marriage "right". That is something made up out of whole cloth by the SCOTUS. If the federal benefits weren't at stake, the whole rights argument put forth thus far goes away. The feds can benefit those who support others through tax relief just as they do through marriage now, without having to muggle around with the state contract of marriage.
    All rights are invented out of whole cloth by the society in which they exist. Do try again.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    True, but they can require it to be an actual contract, properly written, fully detailed including escape clauses, and could stop giving tax and other benefits to married people just because they are married. It isn't impossible to take marriage out of government, and instead force all to have civil contracts that don't involve the government at any level until such time as a contract is broken in an un-contracted means.
    Why? Marriage is a net good to society and is therefore being encouraged and rewarded by society. That will never stop. It's only the wingnuts who can't get laid who don't like that some people get more than they do because they bother to legally entangle their lives with another person.
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