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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    True, but they can require it to be an actual contract, properly written, fully detailed including escape clauses, and could stop giving tax and other benefits to married people just because they are married. It isn't impossible to take marriage out of government, and instead force all to have civil contracts that don't involve the government at any level until such time as a contract is broken in an un-contracted means.
    I'm just not sure what going to civil contracts accomplishes. What problem are you solving? Are there all these married couples unhappy with the way states and the Feds recognize or don't recognize their marriage? If not it's a solution looking for a problem.

    If it's all about NOT recognizing SSM then let's just say that instead of dancing around that with weak states' rights, small government stuff. The marriage 'contract' is an example of government working. Cheap. Easy. Effective. Greases legal and economic wheels. Almost no opposition.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, you tried to slide one over. It's not "a distinction of gender" but a distinction of sexual orientation - and that is not a protected class.
    Defining marriage as between a man and a woman is a distinction of gender. Marriage isn't sex, clownboy. The anti-equality crowd isn't writing laws that say "gays can't marry." They're writing laws that say "men can't marry men."
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In the end, sin will win. It's what this world is bound for. Legally, homosexuals should probably be able to marry. Morally, their marriage will never be "marriage."
    That's cool. There's someone out there who probably thinks that, morally, my mixed-race marriage isn't really marriage. So there's always going to be people out there with some opinion, and obviously I'm not going to concern myself with what those people think.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In the end, sin will win. It's what this world is bound for. Legally, homosexuals should probably be able to marry. Morally, their marriage will never be "marriage."
    Fine with me. Any God that petty is not worth my time.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In the end, sin will win. It's what this world is bound for. Legally, homosexuals should probably be able to marry. Morally, their marriage will never be "marriage."
    That is your opinion and you're free to it, just like there are still people out there that think interracial marriage is a sin (one of my neighbors). Hopefully very soon, people that are against SSM just won't be able to legally enforce that view on gays.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Defining marriage as between a man and a woman is a distinction of gender. Marriage isn't sex, clownboy. The anti-equality crowd isn't writing laws that say "gays can't marry." They're writing laws that say "men can't marry men."

    Men can't marry men, is equally limiting as women cannot marry women. Their gender is the limiting criterion, but, they are both equally limited based on this criteria. Now, if men could marry both men and women, and women could only marry men, then you would have an equal protection violation, but that is not the case. Homosexuals, and now polygamists are saying that the limitations, although equally limiting both genders are unfair when one of these genders prefers that of the same gender in marriage. That is a new right, one that does not exist, and the states, and their legislative bodies have full power to decide. In sum; the courts would be making law, and have been re-writing law in order to acquiesce to the homosexual crowd. What the USSC should rule, is that it has no power to write new laws, or create rights where none exist, and should strike down all previous rulings on legislative limitations on marriage and refer them back to the respective legislative branches.

    THAT is how it should be ruled, IMO.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Men can't marry men, is equally limiting as women cannot marry women. Their gender is the limiting criterion, but, they are both equally limited based on this criteria. Now, if men could marry both men and women, and women could only marry men, then you would have an equal protection violation, but that is not the case. Homosexuals, and now polygamists are saying that the limitations, although equally limiting both genders are unfair when one of these genders prefers that of the same gender in marriage. That is a new right, one that does not exist, and the states, and their legislative bodies have full power to decide. In sum; the courts would be making law, and have been re-writing law in order to acquiesce to the homosexual crowd. What the USSC should rule, is that it has no power to write new laws, or create rights where none exist, and should strike down all previous rulings on legislative limitations on marriage and refer them back to the respective legislative branches.

    THAT is how it should be ruled, IMO.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Men can ride on those buses and women can ride on those other buses. Men can eat in those restaurants and women can eat in those other restaurants. Men can shop in those stores and women can shop in those other stores. Same criterian, same discrimination.
    Yeah except that isn't case, nice try.

    Any other fake scenarios you wish to push?

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yeah except that isn't case, nice try.

    Any other fake scenarios you wish to push?

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    Those examples are cases that wouldn't be allowed, much like how you described. Sorry, but your side is going to rightfully lose this one. Deal with it, it is coming. I'll take a nice toast to all the anti-SSM people when it happens as well.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yeah except that isn't case, nice try.

    Any other fake scenarios you wish to push?

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    It may not be what is being discussed now but it is a demonstration of something that would be just as wrong.

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