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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They aren't "muggling" around. Merely enforcing the constitution. A state cannot make a distinction of gender without showing an important interest in doing so. Anti-equality advocates have failed to provide that interest.
    No, you tried to slide one over. It's not "a distinction of gender" but a distinction of sexual orientation - and that is not a protected class.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually, no, it's not made up by the SCOTUS. We inherited a good body of law behind the Constitution. And the US Constitution protects INTERSTATE travel and commerce, giving Congress the power to regulate it. However, it's the state constitutions that protect and enshrine freedom of movement within the state.

    AND as enumerated in the US Constitution what happens to all those rights not enumerated in the US Constitution? That's right, they fall to the state and the people.
    That's an awful lot of words that aren't in the constitution that you're making up. Let's start with "inherited a good body of law". You mean English common law? Are you suggesting that another country's laws are binding in the US? And why would English common law refer to travel between states? England doesn't have states. Meanwhile, the ability by congress to regulate interstate commerce doesn't guarantee anyone the right to anything. Every court case that established protection for rights that aren't listed in the bill of rights came about from a state law stripping people of those rights and the federal government protecting them. Why do you put such blind faith in states? And why is it that the only complaints about supreme court authority is when their actions protect our rights? Don't we want more rights? Don't we want as much liberty as possible without infringing on anyone else's? How can restricting marriage possibly fit that maxim?
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    government can never stop protecting contracts, I have no idea why anybody even tries to suggest something so asinine.
    True, but they can require it to be an actual contract, properly written, fully detailed including escape clauses, and could stop giving tax and other benefits to married people just because they are married. It isn't impossible to take marriage out of government, and instead force all to have civil contracts that don't involve the government at any level until such time as a contract is broken in an un-contracted means.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    In the end, sin will win. It's what this world is bound for. Legally, homosexuals should probably be able to marry. Morally, their marriage will never be "marriage."
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The federal government can indeed stop adding benefits onto state contracts. That is what is being proposed.
    weird no where in my post did i talk about adding anything, thanks
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    True, but they can require it to be an actual contract, properly written, fully detailed including escape clauses, and could stop giving tax and other benefits to married people just because they are married. It isn't impossible to take marriage out of government, and instead force all to have civil contracts that don't involve the government at any level until such time as a contract is broken in an un-contracted means.
    if its a contract it involves government. Marriage is already a civil contract. Government will be the one protecting it. Without government there is no contract.
    if people want to try and tweak the contract thats fine by me go for it but government will always be involved, no way around it. You very own example has the government requirements.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It has absolutely nothing to do with "rights"......It has to do with taxes and aristocratic nonsense.
    Law, rights, and courts cases all prove you wrong
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, let the individual states encourage it the way that makes sense for them. Take away the federal element.
    Fed will always be involved in rights and the states already have some grey area to work within as long as they dont infringe on individual rights.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They already can do this. It just has to be in accordance with the constitution.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In the end, sin will win. It's what this world is bound for. Legally, homosexuals should probably be able to marry. Morally, their marriage will never be "marriage."
    a meaningless subjective opinion that you you have a right to have, just like they have rights also.
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