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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sorry but I disagree. What we have seen over the last 15 years is the will of the people completely usurped by judges. At some point, the battle has to be decided one way or the other and we need to be able to move forward, however that looks.

    Different opinions.
    What you should really ask yourself is whether a 53% vote is by itself a good enough reason to restrict individual freedom. If "will of the people" upholds a same-sex marriage ban, what else does it uphold?

    If 53% of the population votes to define "arms" as a biological appendage attached to a person's shoulder, is that good enough to uphold a gun ban?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What you should really ask yourself is whether a 53% vote is by itself a good enough reason to restrict individual freedom. If "will of the people" upholds a same-sex marriage ban, what else does it uphold?

    If 53% of the population votes to define "arms" as a biological appendage attached to a person's shoulder, is that good enough to uphold a gun ban?
    After you manage to amend the Constitution? You bet...go for it. Unfortunately, marriage is not specifically defined in the Constitution. Thats a shame.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That is what you believe not what reality is.....

    You want to talk about prenuptial agreements?
    no some of those are facts already proven with links about what marriage can do that nothing else can lol
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes very different and it's pretty obvious your way of thinking is losing ground every week.

    It's sad that you dont believe in actually seeing society grow and needing change to fairly accommodate its members. If you see anyway that straight people are being harmed by this change, please let me know. And 'being offended' is meaningless.
    I'm sorry...what do you mean 'my way of thinking'?

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    After you manage to amend the Constitution? You bet...go for it. Unfortunately, marriage is not specifically defined in the Constitution. Thats a shame.
    And about that first question? Is a simple majority vote good enough to restrict your freedom, as long as it isn't specifically mentioned in the constitution?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    After you manage to amend the Constitution? You bet...go for it. Unfortunately, marriage is not specifically defined in the Constitution. Thats a shame.
    The Constitution is meant to limit the government, and since the government is the people, including votes of the people, it is the government that is limited, not what the people can do. The government has to show why a law/restriction is needed if there is a valid challenge (and this certainly is a valid challenge) to further a legitimate state interest. There is no need to Amend the Constitution for that.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I'm sorry...what do you mean 'my way of thinking'?
    Rigid and black and white. Not open to change.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    government can never stop protecting contracts, I have no idea why anybody even tries to suggest something so asinine.

    The two are not exclusive.


    How about the government grant "Domestic Contracts" that can be created between, any number or sex, of consenting adults. It does not need to be so restricted or have the label of marriage attached. We can then leave "Marriage" as a non legal binding term that can be granted by your religious institution of choice (assuming they will grant it).

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Rigid and black and white. Not open to change.
    And yet, my very comments on this topic CLEARLY demonstrate an acceptance of change.

    Try again.

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And about that first question? Is a simple majority vote good enough to restrict your freedom, as long as it isn't specifically mentioned in the constitution?
    You will have to do better than vague generalities. Taxation issues? Noise ordinances? Historically, many issues in towns cities, states, and even issues decided by the Supreme Court are decided and enforced based on a 'majority'.

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