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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    1.)Presently it is a Tenth Amendment issue - I just don't like the idea of government getting involved in others personal business - and who one screws or loves is their own business not the governments...

    2.)The interesting part is that many states have never banned gay marriage, and to add insult to injury there is nothing stopping anyone from engaging in a civil contract (which is what marriage is), hence the "gay marriage" argument is completely moot.

    3.) Gay's just want "government endorsement/acceptance" as if that will somehow change peoples minds on the issue.
    1.) no, its already been determined in court many times that its not
    2.) you do this so often and i love it, you prove many times how severely uneducated you are on this topic. this is not true at all in fact the majority of states did so and many of them banned domestic partnerships and civil unions and some banned ANY similar SS contracts
    3.) since #2 is false number 3 is even more BS lmao

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    OK, but if it offers those benefits and legal protections in marriage, then it is discrimination to deny them to gays that want to marry.
    Who would want to get married in the first place?

    That just baffles my mind....

    Furthermore it appears that gays get divorced twice as much as heterosexuals (or at least cant maintain a relationship as often).

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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Presently it is a Tenth Amendment issue - I just don't like the idea of government getting involved in others personal business - and who one screws or loves is their own business not the governments...

    The interesting part is that many states have never banned gay marriage, and to add insult to injury there is nothing stopping anyone from engaging in a civil contract (which is what marriage is), hence the "gay marriage" argument is completely moot. Gay's just want "government endorsement/acceptance" as if that will somehow change peoples minds on the issue.
    Marriage is a specific contract that is barred to same-sex couples in many states. It provides many benefits and rights at both state and Federal levels, and not all of these benefits and rights can be duplicated via a different private contract. (even civil unions don't get all of them)

    For example, I cannot be compelled to testify against my spouse in a criminal hearing, and any communications between me and my spouse are assumed to be private and confidential. This is not something a civil contract can duplicate.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Who would want to get married in the first place?

    That just baffles my mind....
    Who would want to buy a pickup truck in the first place? I don't personally want one, and I personally disapprove of them, so I want the state to ban them.

    Furthermore it appears that gays get divorced twice as much as heterosexuals (or at least cant maintain a relationship as often).
    Citation needed.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    My bet if SCOTUS rules at all it will be by 2016 and then equal rights will be national.IM so happy and proud to actually witness this wrong be righted.
    I laugh so hard at the "activist and corrupt judges nonsense" its complete BS that nobody buys. A desperate attempt to try and rally the weak, bigoted and or oppressors.
    Probably June of next year, actually. SCOTUS will decide whether or not to hear the Utah case later this year, and if they choose to hear it they'll be deciding it before the end of June 2015.

    By July 1, 2015, this will be over. Bank on it.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    if its a contract it involves government. Marriage is already a civil contract. Government will be the one protecting it. Without government there is no contract.
    if people want to try and tweak the contract thats fine by me go for it but government will always be involved, no way around it. You very own example has the government requirements.
    yeah, but in reality there is very little "reality" to a marriage contract as they are allowed now, it's all pretty vague and married people are treated differently legally with tax benefits and other estate type benefits that are not inherent in any other contract and instead must be detailed within the contract specifically. I'm suggesting that "marriage" should be treated like any other contract, with details and no particular government benefits just because of the contract. If a wife is a dependent then taxably she'd be handled that way, if she isn't a dependent and has her own income then she files separately, and the higher income earner has the children as dependents. The idea that just because you're married you should pay less tax doesn't seem right particularly when even single income couples tend to have a better income/expense ratio per person than a single person.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Perhaps, but what should it be protected against, and why should it be?





    Ah, but this is the crux isn't it. By definition, a legislative body forming laws that restrict, or limit actions are rational on their face.
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    Wow. Now that's ****in authoritarian right there. "You have to prove why you should have a right" is pretty antithetical to American values.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    yeah, but in reality there is very little "reality" to a marriage contract as they are allowed now, it's all pretty vague and married people are treated differently legally with tax benefits and other estate type benefits that are not inherent in any other contract and instead must be detailed within the contract specifically. I'm suggesting that "marriage" should be treated like any other contract, with details and no particular government benefits just because of the contract. If a wife is a dependent then taxably she'd be handled that way, if she isn't a dependent and has her own income then she files separately, and the higher income earner has the children as dependents. The idea that just because you're married you should pay less tax doesn't seem right particularly when even single income couples tend to have a better income/expense ratio per person than a single person.
    and you are welcome to feel that way, none of it has to do with equal rights and this topic not does it involve getting government out of marriage which cant be done.
    also its not a WIN or less taxes all the times, my neighbors got divorced so it would be easier to sent thier kid to college.

    but again all meaningless to this topic of equal rights.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Probably June of next year, actually. SCOTUS will decide whether or not to hear the Utah case later this year, and if they choose to hear it they'll be deciding it before the end of June 2015.

    By July 1, 2015, this will be over. Bank on it.
    that would be awesome IMO but im being cautious, i wouldn't "bank on it" but if i had to pick the sooner the better.

    Its repulsive that my fellow american are denied equal rights and have been for this long.
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    Re: 4 states face gay marriage showdown in Cincinnati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and you are welcome to feel that way, none of it has to do with equal rights and this topic not does it involve getting government out of marriage which cant be done.
    also its not a WIN or less taxes all the times, my neighbors got divorced so it would be easier to sent thier kid to college.

    but again all meaningless to this topic of equal rights.
    All I'm agreeing to is that having government not handle marriage as an exclusive contract, as suggested by another poster, then SSM issue could be solved as well. I'm sorry you don't like it when I agree with a different point of view. However, it is not outside the realm of the discussion of creating equality for SS and OS marriages. One can either upgrade SS or downgrade OS, either achieves the same thing, equality.
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