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America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

MTAtech said:
This was the post I was responding to:


Then, Fenton and bubbabgone are contradicting each other. bubbabgone clearly said 'Obama negatively effected economic growth' due to unknown policies in energy while Fenton claims Obama has NOTHING to do with new Oil and Gas exploration. The results (facts) are that oil and gas production are up and natural gas prices are down -- which contradicts bubbabgone's claim that Obama policies on energy are negatively effecting the economy.

I find it both sad and funny that right-wingers hold beliefs that they are convinced are true but don't withstand simple researching of results. Another one of those beliefs -- we call them myths, about Reagan. Everyone on the right knows that Reagan presided over job creation on a scale never seen before or since. But what they know just isn’t so.

If we look at monthly job creation as a measure, to factor out the length difference in presidential terms, we get this:

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So, when the general gum chewing public rates presidents, do you think that they have any idea that Carter's average monthly job creation was greater than Reagan's or that Bush II had essentially no job gains? No, their polled viewpoint reflect what they "know" even if what they no is completely wrong. That's something one doesn't get when polling historians.
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Ya know, you should pay less attention to the cheerleaders who LIKE your comments in order to keep you all wound up.

I posted a response to your notion of Obama-as Electricity-magnate and as for your silly Obama-as-modern-day-J.Paul Getty, there's no daylight between me and Fenton.
The increase in oil exploration was on State & private land ... not Government owned. See the difference?
You sure are selective in what you post.
 
Kobie said:
You mean the cap and trade system that we don't have?
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Silly child.
Who needs something formal like a Law when you have regulations and an EPA to enforce them.
 
bubbabgone said:
Ya know, you should pay less attention to the cheerleaders who LIKE your comments in order to keep you all wound up.

I posted a response to your notion of Obama-as Electricity-magnate and as for your silly Obama-as-modern-day-J.Paul Getty, there's no daylight between me and Fenton.
The increase in oil exploration was on State & private land ... not Government owned. See the difference?
You sure are selective in what you post.
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Which proves that people have different ideas about things, even if the ideology is the same - and they express them. Sure is more interesting than reading what lockstep robots have to say - the same almost identical words on every site one might visit. Too predictable, which can be boring. Is that called "groupthink?"

Good morning, bubba. :2wave:
 
Kobie said:
I never get tired of conservatives trying to pretend that George W. Bush never existed.
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And we never get tired of progressive liberals trying to pretend that anything bad that Obama does today can be blamed on George W. Bush, or because the person criticizing Obama is a racist....
 
polgara said:
Which proves that people have different ideas about things, even if the ideology is the same - and they express them. Sure is
more interesting than reading what lockstep robots have to say - the same almost identical words on every site one might visit. Too predictable, which can be boring. Is that called "groupthink?"
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Good morning, bubba. :2wave:
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“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.” - George S. Patton

Howzitgoing, Pol ?
 
bubbabgone said:
“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.” - George S. Patton

Howzitgoing, Pol ?
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It looks like everyone here had an extra large bowl of Wheaties this morning, and they're raring to go, including me! I threw some banana slices in mine - I figured that I might need the potassium for nerve control and blood pressure if the day continues the way it started! Fun! :mrgreen:
 
polgara said:
It looks like everyone here had an extra large bowl of Wheaties this morning, and they're raring to go, including me! I threw some banana slices in mine - I figured that I might need the potassium for nerve control and blood pressure if the day continues the way it started! Fun! :mrgreen:
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HA!!!! Bananas and Wheaties.
It was Cheerios and blueberries for me.
 
bubbabgone said:
HA!!!! Bananas and Wheaties.
It was Cheerios and blueberries for me.
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Well, the vitamins in blueberries are good for the brain.....you planning some big surprise today to outwit the critters? :lol:
 
bubbabgone said:
Ya know, you should pay less attention to the cheerleaders who LIKE your comments in order to keep you all wound up.

I posted a response to your notion of Obama-as Electricity-magnate and as for your silly Obama-as-modern-day-J.Paul Getty, there's no daylight between me and Fenton.
The increase in oil exploration was on State & private land ... not Government owned. See the difference?
You sure are selective in what you post.
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No, I see no relevance as to where energy is drilled. That's up to the drillers not a micromanaged government effort. There are plenty of federal permits that oil cos have that they aren't using. Their objective as a company is to avoid over-drilling in order to force prices down.

You stated that Obama has hurt the economy, in site energy policy, in particular as an example. You gave no specifics, however. How has Obama hurt the economy and what specific policies made it worse? Also, what would be the results of your alternate policies? Energy is an area that is going just fine in America.

Oh, people LIKE my comments because they present facts that undercut right-wing fact-less rhetoric.
 
MTAtech said:
No, I see no relevance as to where energy is drilled. That's up to the drillers not a micromanaged government effort. There are plenty of federal permits that oil cos have that they aren't using. Their objective as a company is to avoid over-drilling in order to force prices down.

You stated that Obama has hurt the economy, in site energy policy, in particular as an example. You gave no specifics, however. How has Obama hurt the economy and what specific policies made it worse? Also, what would be the results of your alternate policies? Energy is an area that is going just fine in America.

Oh, people LIKE my comments because they present facts that undercut right-wing fact-less rhetoric.
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LOL, have to keep this one

Oh, people LIKE my comments because they present facts that undercut right-wing fact-less rhetoric
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You wouldn't recognize a fact if it bit you in the ass. The Oil Companies own leases but aren't exploring because of a very important fact, there isn't any recoverable oil on those leases. Interesting how you buy the liberal rhetoric on every issue and yet ignore the liberal results.
 
polgara said:
Well, the vitamins in blueberries are good for the brain.....you planning some big surprise today to outwit the critters? :lol:
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It's goose season around here.
They're trolling the open areas looking for action.
Kinda similar to what you find here on DP.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, have to keep this one
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You wouldn't recognize a fact if it bit you in the ass. The Oil Companies own leases but aren't exploring because of a very important fact, there isn't any recoverable oil on those leases. Interesting how you buy the liberal rhetoric on every issue and yet ignore the liberal results.
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Oh yeah ... that one's a keeper.
I'm still laughing.
 
bubbabgone said:
Oh yeah ... that one's a keeper.
I'm still laughing.
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Very good article from CNN that explains the situation

Oil drilling on leases for millions of acres remains idle - Jun. 7, 2011


especially the following

One reason the industry isn't producing on these lands, said Milito, is because there's simply no oil there. Only 25 to 30% of the acres the industry leases offshore ends up having large enough oil deposits to bring into production, he said.
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Then there is this

Plus, he said oil at $100 a barrel is a huge incentive for companies to produce oil now. The price in the future, he noted, is anyone's guess.

"This is good politics," said Caruso, "but it's not the way the business works."
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MTAtech said:
No, I see no relevance as to where energy is drilled.
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Really? So I suppose the field of Geology is of no use to you eh?

There are plenty of federal permits that oil cos have that they aren't using.
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Yeah, that's the big lie from the administration...Although the oil companies are receiving permits, when they finally do get one, it is on land that bears either no oil, or is too costly to develop...The administration knows this, but continues the lie to demonize the oil producers....

Either you just blindly follow along parroting the lie, or you know, and are lying yourself.
 
MTAtech said:
No, I see no relevance as to where energy is drilled. That's up to the drillers not a micromanaged government effort. There are plenty of federal permits that oil cos have that they aren't using. Their objective as a company is to avoid over-drilling in order to force prices down.

You stated that Obama has hurt the economy, in site energy policy, in particular as an example.
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You gave no specifics, however. How has Obama hurt the economy and what specific policies made it worse? Also, what would be the results of your alternate policies? Energy is an area that is going just fine in America.

Oh,
people LIKE my comments because they present facts that undercut right-wing fact-less rhetoric.
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I did cite facts ... see post #323.
I also mentioned Obama's attack on coal through his EPA regulations in #327.
Oh ... and I love that on the one hand you say Obama has expanded oil exploration and on the other you say it makes no difference that he had nothing to do with it.
That one's a classic.


Nope ... you can believe that if you like ... it's tempting to ... but I'm afraid they're stroking you.
Just remember their names.
You'll probably see them again.
 
MTAtech said:
In the meantime, the country is producing more oil than it ever did since 1957.
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Another of the disingenuous distractions from liberals that can only get their agenda through lies and subterfuge....

Although there is a grain of truth to the fact that oil production is up, that is NOT on Federal lands, or from any permits that this administration issued. This comes from private lands...And, if we are to really have the space to cease to fund our enemies through oil purchase, then we must do more on Federal lands, in concert with developing side by side alternative energy sourcing to carry us to independence....This is what you don't understand...We as conservatives know that alternative sourcing is going to be the next thing and applaud it, but realize that we just can't quit using the current life blood with nothing in place to be reliable enough to take the place of fossil fuels without killing our economy....

Somehow, I don't think the oil companies don't need you to look after their interest. They pay lobbyists greatly to do that for them.
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That's nonsense. Everyone in this country has the right to redress of grievances of their government. That includes companies whether you like it or not. All you are doing is parroting the OWS line of class warfare at this point.
 
MTAtech said:
In the meantime, the country is producing more oil than it ever did since 1957.

Somehow, I don't think the oil companies don't need you to look after their interest. They pay lobbyists greatly to do that for them.
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The oil companies don't need people like you distorting the information which you did. We are producing more today because of Fracking and exploration on private land, not Federal Land.

Oil Companies do what the environmentalists do, lobby but they certainly don't vote on issues or make policies. Oil companies pay royalties on the Public land they lease and then when they produce they pay for that production as well. You mislead the readers with every post. When are you going to realize that Obama and liberalism has made a fool out of you?
 
Conservative said:
The results say he was, his communication skills however led to the total destruction of his Presidency and distortion of his record. I look at results and results matter. Up to 2008 his numbers rivaled the best.
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What results? Scholars rank him as one of the worst presidents and he was hardly popular.
 
j-mac said:
That is not what is happening today. The "racist" label is being thrown about so often that it is simply diluted. Offering that someone is saying something racist, or committing an act that is racial in component depends clearly on your perception of said speech, or act.
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I'm not sure that's true, or if some are just overly sensitive. I'm also not sure how to objectively find out. And no, there are some measurables that we can look at if we wanted to.
 
Van Basten said:
Should I buy into the delusions of the Right?
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Considering the number of delusions your'e already burdened with, No, I wouldn't suggest you add more.

Truth is never a burden. Just FYI if you ever grow out of accepting platitudes and warmed over manufactured narratives as the Gods honest truth.
 
Van Basten said:
What results? Scholars rank him as one of the worst presidents and he was hardly popular.
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Scholars like liberals ignore the economic results. It appears that you ignore them as well. How did GW Bush hurt you and/or your family? There isn't one Obama economic number better than Bush's and yet Bush gets all the blame for those Obama numbers. Why aren't Obama's numbers as good as Bush's?

You see, you buy the liberal spin. According to liberals Bush lost 750,000 jobs a month, according to reality, Bush lost that number of jobs in 2 months but you would think that was the every month. Obama had over a million discouraged workers much of 2010, are those people unemployed? Bush never had anywhere near that discouraged workers Obama had but because discouraged workers aren't counted in the official unemployment numbers the Bush numbers look worse. Why don't you do some research instead of buying the rhetoric.
 
sangha said:
Yes, aside from all the bad numbers, his numbers were great!!
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Let's see, Bush had 750,000 jobs lost in November and December 2008, Obama had over a million people discouraged and not counted, which number is higher, 750,000 for two months or 1 million discouraged, not counted for most of 2010? In July 2014 that number was almost 800,000. You see, actual data and facts confuse you so you stick to the rhetoric that just makes you look foolish.
 
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