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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The trick is to NOT buy wholesale into the lefts definition of the Bush Presidency.
    What you would have us do is not buy into the facts of the Bush presidency.

    Bush's first tax-cut arrived in the middle of a recession, but that was an accident. It was devised in 1999, when the economy was booming, to defend Bush in the primaries against the right-wing and Steve Forbes. During the 2000 campaign, Bush sold it as a way of returning budget surpluses to the people, with not a hint that it had something to do with fighting recession. The recession story was an after-the-fact reinvention. Weee, tax-cuts are the medicine for all ailments.

    While conservatives today are obsessive compulsive about deficits and debt under Obama, the two biggest policy changes responsible for the swing into deficit were the big tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, and the war of choice in Iraq -- neither of which was necessary.

    While complaining about costs associated with Obamacare, Republicans were just fine the budget-busting was Medicare Part D, whose plan was needlessly expensive, not because that’s the way the public wanted it that way -- it could easily have been simply an addition to traditional Medicare -- but to please the drug lobby and the anti-government ideologues.

    While Republicans now act if they are firm constitutionalists, they had no problem with Bush tapping American's phones without court orders; locking up Americans accused of terrorism -- without charges or access to a lawyer, as required by the Constitution.

    Of course, the biggest failure of Bush was his preemptive invasion of Iraq, a war that needed no preempting. Much of the destabilizing of today's Middle East is due to this invasion.

    That isn't the "left's" definition. That's what happened.
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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    MTAtech;1063620544]What you would have us do is not buy into the facts of the Bush presidency.

    Bush's first tax-cut arrived in the middle of a recession, but that was an accident. It was devised in 1999, when the economy was booming, to defend Bush in the primaries against the right-wing and Steve Forbes. During the 2000 campaign, Bush sold it as a way of returning budget surpluses to the people, with not a hint that it had something to do with fighting recession. The recession story was an after-the-fact reinvention. Weee, tax-cuts are the medicine for all ailments.
    Bush's tax cuts weren't fully implemented until July 2003. His first cut was similar to Obama's, a rebate that once it was gone it was gone. The full tax cut were the rate cuts which gave people more spendable income in each paycheck. You don't seem to understand the difference or when they actually benefited the taxpayers. The economy wasn't booming when Bush took office, it was going into recession, a recession that started in March 2001. That recession ended in November 2001 but was compounded by 9/11 which the GAO says cost the taxpayers over a trillion dollars and that trillion dollars is part of the Bush debt of 4.9 trillion dollars. It does seem you have a problem keeping more of what you earn.

    While conservatives today are obsessive compulsive about deficits and debt under Obama, the two biggest policy changes responsible for the swing into deficit were the big tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, and the war of choice in Iraq -- neither of which was necessary.
    Name for me the time in American History when debt was over 100% of GDP? What exactly did this country and the American people get for that debt? It is claimed that Obama kept us out of depression but since the recession ended in June 2009 please provide the economic policy that was implemented that prevented that so called depression? Misguided war in Iraq? Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace.

    While complaining about costs associated with Obamacare, Republicans were just fine the budget-busting was Medicare Part D, whose plan was needlessly expensive, not because that’s the way the public wanted it that way -- it could easily have been simply an addition to traditional Medicare -- but to please the drug lobby and the anti-government ideologues.
    Typical revision of history and buying of the leftwing spin. Medicare Part D was proposed to put the consumer in charge of their Medicare Expense and we know that Liberals want the govt. doing that. Medicare Part D had two proposals, the 400 billion dollar GOP Plan and the 800 billion dollar Ted Kennedy Bill. Now which one was the most expensive. Now we understand how liberals want to blame Bush for budget busting but what would 800 billion do to the deficit? By the way what were the results of the Bush Medicare Part D program. Did expenses go up or down?

    While Republicans now act if they are firm constitutionalists, they had no problem with Bush tapping American's phones without court orders; locking up Americans accused of terrorism -- without charges or access to a lawyer, as required by the Constitution.
    Another revisionist history, name for me the number of Americans who had their phones tapped and Americans locked up without access to a lawyer. You are reaching here and you know it. It is interesting that when any thread is formed that challenges Obama or is negative to Obama, you are one of the people I can count on being there to ignore the Obama record and try to divert to Bush. Accept the responsibility that Obama made a fool out of you. Will be happy to post the actual comparison of Bush results vs Obama for you but doubt you would read them

    Of course, the biggest failure of Bush was his preemptive invasion of Iraq, a war that needed no preempting. Much of the destabilizing of today's Middle East is due to this invasion.
    I find it interesting how many Democrats supported the war in Iraq when the Senate was held by Democrats and all the quotes made by Democrats prior to Bush taking office about Iraq and the WMD? Guess those quotes didn't matter nor did the fact that the Senate oversight Committee under Control of the Democrats had the same access to intelligence information as did the President. Guess that was a fact that you wanted to ignore?

    What you also want to ignore is that Bush won the Iraq War and Obama lost the peace. The problems in Iraq right now are due to the arrogance and incompetence of Obama who failed to negotiate a U.S. Presence in Iraq just so he could tell people like you he got us out of Iraq. It was the Bush Status of Forces Agreement that set the terms for withdrawal. Obama failed to negotiate in good faith an American Peace Keeping force. ISIS is Obama's responsibility and most know it.

    That isn't the "left's" definition. That's what happened
    That is your opinion what happened, thanks for giving me the opportunity to provide the rest of the story and the real truth.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    On energy, as one example, the U.S. is in a better position than when Obama was inaugurated.
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    Obama is killing coal and ... fill your car up lately to go to work? Do you have a car? Or a job?

    "The electricity price index soared to a new high in January 2014 with the largest month-to-month increase in almost four years, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Meanwhile, data from the Energy Information Administration, a division of the U.S. Department of Energy, indicates that electricity production in the United States has declined since 2007, when it hit its all-time peak.

    The U.S. is producing less electricity than it did seven years ago for a population that has added more than 14 million people."


    Obamaís Green Energy: Electricity Prices Increased 33%, Electricity Production Fell | FrontPage Magazine


    Remember ... "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." (January 2008) - Barack Obama
    That's one promise he kept.
    He always keeps the wrong promises, have you noticed that?

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Obama is killing coal and ... fill your car up lately to go to work? Do you have a car? Or a job?

    "The electricity price index soared to a new high in January 2014 with the largest month-to-month increase in almost four years, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Meanwhile, data from the Energy Information Administration, a division of the U.S. Department of Energy, indicates that electricity production in the United States has declined since 2007, when it hit its all-time peak.

    The U.S. is producing less electricity than it did seven years ago for a population that has added more than 14 million people."


    Obamaís Green Energy: Electricity Prices Increased 33%, Electricity Production Fell | FrontPage Magazine


    Remember ... "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." (January 2008) - Barack Obama
    That's one promise he kept.
    He always keeps the wrong promises, have you noticed that?
    You mean the cap and trade system that we don't have?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    Low information is people who listen to Limbaugh, or who think the last five Republican presidents were anything but god awful.
    Your opinions aren't worth the bandwidth you just wasted posting them.

    You actually thought Limbaugh came up with the term " Magic Negro ".

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    This was the post I was responding to:


    Then, Fenton and bubbabgone are contradicting each other. bubbabgone clearly said 'Obama negatively effected economic growth' due to unknown policies in energy while Fenton claims Obama has NOTHING to do with new Oil and Gas exploration. The results (facts) are that oil and gas production are up and natural gas prices are down -- which contradicts bubbabgone's claim that Obama policies on energy are negatively effecting the economy.

    I find it both sad and funny that right-wingers hold beliefs that they are convinced are true but don't withstand simple researching of results. Another one of those beliefs -- we call them myths, about Reagan. Everyone on the right knows that Reagan presided over job creation on a scale never seen before or since. But what they know just isnít so.

    If we look at monthly job creation as a measure, to factor out the length difference in presidential terms, we get this:



    So, when the general gum chewing public rates presidents, do you think that they have any idea that Carter's average monthly job creation was greater than Reagan's or that Bush II had essentially no job gains? No, their polled viewpoint reflect what they "know" even if what they no is completely wrong. That's something one doesn't get when polling historians.
    Ya know, you should pay less attention to the cheerleaders who LIKE your comments in order to keep you all wound up.

    I posted a response to your notion of Obama-as Electricity-magnate and as for your silly Obama-as-modern-day-J.Paul Getty, there's no daylight between me and Fenton.
    The increase in oil exploration was on State & private land ... not Government owned. See the difference?
    You sure are selective in what you post.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You mean the cap and trade system that we don't have?

    Silly child.
    Who needs something formal like a Law when you have regulations and an EPA to enforce them.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Ya know, you should pay less attention to the cheerleaders who LIKE your comments in order to keep you all wound up.

    I posted a response to your notion of Obama-as Electricity-magnate and as for your silly Obama-as-modern-day-J.Paul Getty, there's no daylight between me and Fenton.
    The increase in oil exploration was on State & private land ... not Government owned. See the difference?
    You sure are selective in what you post.
    Which proves that people have different ideas about things, even if the ideology is the same - and they express them. Sure is more interesting than reading what lockstep robots have to say - the same almost identical words on every site one might visit. Too predictable, which can be boring. Is that called "groupthink?"

    Good morning, bubba.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I never get tired of conservatives trying to pretend that George W. Bush never existed.

    And we never get tired of progressive liberals trying to pretend that anything bad that Obama does today can be blamed on George W. Bush, or because the person criticizing Obama is a racist....
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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Which proves that people have different ideas about things, even if the ideology is the same - and they express them. Sure is
    more interesting than reading what lockstep robots have to say - the same almost identical words on every site one might visit. Too predictable, which can be boring. Is that called "groupthink?"
    Good morning, bubba.
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