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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    I didn't realize that President Obama created the New Deal and Great Society programs -- silly me.

    Actually, during the Progressive Era (about 100 years ago,) it was commonplace and widely accepted to support high taxes on the rich specifically in order to keep the rich from getting richer. Also, the U.S. foreign Aide budget is about $45 billion, with much of it credits to buy American products. That fact is at odds with the ludicrous claim that Obama is "redistributing [America's] abundance across the Globe."

    In essence, the above post is from some other place than reality.

    Your post was too simple minded ... in essence.
    By his actions on energy, as one example, he affected our economic growth negatively and not as economically dominant ... and don't get me started on foreign policy.
    And given that he's known for apologizing to the world for our strength before he came along, it's not surprising the UN would recognize him for that.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I bought some fine netting yesterday, and the guy who helps me with outside work is currently getting it spread around each bush. He is gathering the netting together at the bottom and tying it to the bush "trunks" to completely enclose the bushes. The birds are sitting in nearby trees watching, so we'll see. I have now lowered my wine expectations to one bottle *fingers crossed*, and if it didn't taste so good, I wouldn't even bother with that.

    Greetings, bubba. What are you up to these days?
    Those nets (are yours 1"?) are a bear to get on and off.
    They have caused me a whole lot of agita over the years.
    Had to go to chicken wire for the grapes and blueberries.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Well, I was looking for Jet's view on it, but I'll talk about yours as well....

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Extremist right-wing are the people who reject what has traditionally been centrist American beliefs.
    Who decides what are "traditional centrist American beliefs"??? You?

    Specifically, the extremist right-wing reject progressive taxation and government social programs.
    Progressive taxation been with us for just over 150 years, and in that time the tax code of the US has grown to the point that no one, not even CPA's fully understand it. The reason behind most progressive tax codes is to establish social spending, or transfer from one group, to another. At the very least it is a socialist system by definition. I am in favor of a flat tax system with a graduated step for income levels, and do away with all the other crap.

    As for social programs, they are in great need of serious reform. Only those that are in true need should be able to access them, and they should be tied to education so that those that do get on the system have to complete a program to train them for a job that needs to be done in our country, so that they stay on Welfare is limited.

    They are people who a generation ago would have been members of the John Birch Society.
    Using JBS as a pejorative against people is only a way to box them in...For instance, when myself or others use terms like "the left", or even "liberal'' and "progressive" I often get a response from liberals and progressives that they are not such. JBS may have strong rhetoric, and advocate views that are antithetical to your own, but does that really make them "extreme"??? I don't think it does, even if I don't agree with everything they say.

    Contrarily, Dwight Eisenhower was an example of a centrist Republican. This is what Ike said:
    Whether you like it or not is not the question. It is common knowledge that "Ike" and Welch didn't like each other too much, my guess is that Eisenhower displayed some "progressive" ideals that Welch deplored.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Dead and burried? No. But a lazy response to criticism? You bet.
    As it is still a viable criticism, to which you agree by agreeing it isn't dead, how can it be presented that you wouldn't call it lazy? The first question I would ask is if it is accurate?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As it is still a viable criticism, to which you agree by agreeing it isn't dead, how can it be presented that you wouldn't call it lazy? The first question I would ask is if it is accurate?
    Accuracy is subjective to the person that wants to attach the label. Your response here is irrelevant.
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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Those nets (are yours 1"?) are a bear to get on and off.
    They have caused me a whole lot of agita over the years.
    Had to go to chicken wire for the grapes and blueberries.
    They're almost like the netting you would see on a bridal veil or a screen on a screen door, but with a little bit larger openings in the netting - maybe a little more than 1/8' inch in diameter, and pliable soft plastic. Very tightly woven together, but sunlight and rain can enter. At this point, nothing is going to ripen further anyway, so no problem. The fact that they are elderberries, which are very small, was one reason why I chose that particular netting. I didn't want those that the birds didn't eat to fall to the ground due to over-ripeness, if you know what I mean.

    Someone suggested that I go to a Salvation Army or Goodwill store, and buy old white curtains, sew them together to fit what I needed to cover, and use those. I was hesitant to do that because of possible mold on the curtains if they didn't dry out in a hurry, so I bought the netting. We'll see how that works out.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Accuracy is subjective to the person that wants to attach the label. Your response here is irrelevant.
    Not really true. I reject that all reality is subjective. While some of it may be hard to see, there was either a race element or there wasn't.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not really true. I reject that all reality is subjective. While some of it may be hard to see, there was either a race element or there wasn't.
    To know that you would have to presume to know the heart of the person you are attaching that label to. And while you may reject it, doesn't make it fact, you are simply projecting your own reality.
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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To know that you would have to presume to know the heart of the person you are attaching that label to. And while you may reject it, doesn't make it fact, you are simply projecting your own reality.
    I haven't attached a label to anyone. But if I did, it wouldn't be to the heart but the act. An act might well be racist or based on race. And if reality is all subjective, we might as well quite having any opinions as none matter, nor do facts. It's all a waste of time. That car didn't really run over a woman, as I don't think it did. That type of thing doesn't really work.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I haven't attached a label to anyone. But if I did, it wouldn't be to the heart but the act. An act might well be racist or based on race. And if reality is all subjective, we might as well quite having any opinions as none matter, nor do facts. It's all a waste of time. That car didn't really run over a woman, as I don't think it did. That type of thing doesn't really work.
    That is not what is happening today. The "racist" label is being thrown about so often that it is simply diluted. Offering that someone is saying something racist, or committing an act that is racial in component depends clearly on your perception of said speech, or act.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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