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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    I didn't think the kool aid drinkers would reference Bush until at least the 5th post. Man you guys have really stepped up your game!

    When you're trying to say Obama is the worst president ever and using polls to justify it, it is important to compare others as well. Or do you think we should all just look at one poll and judge everything based on that poll?

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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Who cares if he's the worst president in history. For this time in history when we need a strong effective leader, he's horrible. Absolutely.
    This is my thought as well. Bush was a horrible president and Obama is as well. The fact is the man we have right now is doing a horrible job as far as I'm concerned.

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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    A Couple of things.

    #1 the question for the Right Track/Wrong track was asked:



    That INCLUDES Congress in that as well, NOT just the President.
    I understand that, and Congress as a whole gets abysmal marks at only 14% approval. That includes BOTH parties. But, I would say, at least from my perspective, that much of this is media driven, and when you have most (not all) media outlets generally running cover, softballing, or not pressing the current administration, or party in control for the truth, then the opposition only has one road to go in stopping what they think is wrong for the country.

    #2 The question about Obama you left out:


    These numbers go along with his approval rating which is about what Bush's around this time. Nice try, but hardly the worst President this country has ever had. I will say he is a bad president but not the worst president.

    Nice try on cherry picking there.
    Not cherry picking anything. I posted the internals, which I might add is a far sight more than most progressives in here when they want to use a single poll to beat up on their political opponents in here...With that said, this is NOT good. I note that the discussion is starting off with not what Obama, and demo's are doing wrong, but rather deflection to 'blame Bush', or claims of cherry picking rather than discussing why it is that the most known supporter of Obama, and demo's in the media, NBC, is releasing numbers they just can't spin easily.
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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    When you're trying to say Obama is the worst president ever and using polls to justify it, it is important to compare others as well. Or do you think we should all just look at one poll and judge everything based on that poll?
    That's fine, as long as you don't say the "B-word."


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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Not even close to a contender if you go back to the 1800s. Unfortunately, most cons seem to forget that history didn't start with Jimmy Carter.
    Without looking it up on any website, in any book, or using any reference material whatsoever, tell me, how bad was Warren Harding and why? How about how bad Coolidge was and why?

    Point being politics is about the here and now - 99% of living people were not alive when Coolidge was President nor Hoover. A minority of young people can barely name the current President and Vice President. Hoover = a dam you see. In the last 40 years, yes Carter has the bottom of the barrel as anyone born in the 1950's and 1960's (The baby boomers) know and lived through Carter. They don't have experience with Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman etc.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, when someone compares the president to all the other presidents that came before him, it is inappropriate to mention a president that came before him
    That's a fair point Sangha, and Bush did have similar polling. But I would venture a guess not in as broad a swath of separate categories as Obama....
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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Without looking it up on any website, in any book, or using any reference material whatsoever, tell me, how bad was Warren Harding and why? How about how bad Coolidge was and why?

    Point being politics is about the here and now - 99% of living people were not alive when Coolidge was President nor Hoover. A minority of young people can barely name the current President and Vice President. Hoover = a dam you see. In the last 40 years, yes Carter has the bottom of the barrel as anyone born in the 1950's and 1960's (The baby boomers) know and lived through Carter. They don't have experience with Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman etc.
    Without using what I've learned about Harding or Andrew Johnson, no. But just because a person can't remember anyone before Nixon doesn't mean none of that happened.


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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Not if it's Bush, you should know better by now.

    I can't wait for 2017 when the Republican President starts doing things and it's all "But..but, Obama!" Basically because I want to start throwing back the "He's not President anymore." Though I suspect that some posters will magically disappear in 2017.
    So you're conceding the Presidency in 2016 already eh? Thanks.
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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's a fair point Sangha, and Bush did have similar polling. But I would venture a guess not in as broad a swath of separate categories as Obama....
    bush* polled lower, not "similar"
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    re: America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand that, and Congress as a whole gets abysmal marks at only 14% approval. That includes BOTH parties. But, I would say, at least from my perspective, that much of this is media driven, and when you have most (not all) media outlets generally running cover, softballing, or not pressing the current administration, or party in control for the truth, then the opposition only has one road to go in stopping what they think is wrong for the country.
    The whole media thing I could have believed in the early 2000s and before, but that excuse cannot be used now. There are internet sites, radio, satellite, etc. People CAN be informed and they choose not to. That is not the media's fault, that is the people's fault.

    Not cherry picking anything. I posted the internals, which I might add is a far sight more than most progressives in here when they want to use a single poll to beat up on their political opponents in here...With that said, this is NOT good. I note that the discussion is starting off with not what Obama, and demo's are doing wrong, but rather deflection to 'blame Bush', or claims of cherry picking rather than discussing why it is that the most known supporter of Obama, and demo's in the media, NBC, is releasing numbers they just can't spin easily.
    Cherry picking only in the sense that the right track/wrong track in your quote appeared to be attributed to Obama only (you didn't mention the whole question or that it included congress). If that wasn't your intent intentionally I withdraw the cherry picking comment.

    I agree its not good. It hasn't been good for going on 14 years now which includes the presidents and congresses along with that. I'm not on the "blame Bush" waggon, there is PLENTY of blame to go around for both the Reps and Dems.

    Both sides have done it. When Bush was in office, many on the right were blaming Clinton or that the Left wasn't patriotically support Bush in Iraq. With Obama it is the same thing with the left, they blamed Bush for many things even 6 years into it.

    However, what I still find most damaging is that people STILL don't realize that the Dem/Reps have let us down and they continue to support them.

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