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American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

Previously addressed.




They should exhibit more staying power.




Ridiculous. I tired of your babble and will not have anything else to say unless you surprise us by posting something worth replying to.

Your address was lean!

Many Americans are learning a lesson and pulling back, sorry that positive trend is disappointing to you.

You are under no obligation to ever respond to me. Forgot where your ignore button is?
 
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Major General Bruno Hochmuth was killed when the helicopter he was traveling in was shot down.

If that isn't getting Killed In Action, what is? :roll:

Read more here: Marine general killed in Vietnam — History.com This Day in History — 11/14/1967



Now you know.

No, I already know.

Here, let me educate you. This is an eyewitness account, in the form of a sworn statement by a Marine major who didn't obserbe the general's aircraft recieving fire, nor did he receive fire.


Death of MajGen. Bruno A. Hochmuth
 
Never use it.

Too many people like you are too likely to need further correction down the road.

Get in line. What poster here doesn't think he/she has someone to correct, lol. Probably thought you said something profound.
 
Clearly you don't remember Obama's promises of being out of both countries.

And your vast international experience convinces you President Obama could have ordered all of our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan the second day he was in office. I can hear the howls of 'surrender' from the CONs, hell they howl about that now with Iraq.... :doh
 
Pres Obama made this his war when he sent a 2007 Iraq style surge into Afghanistan. Had he started a draw down instead of a plus up, you would have a point.

Again, if President Obama had just packed the military up and left after being elected the howls from the CONs would have been deafening. Fact is in Afghanistan BushII left the place to rot and allowed the Tally whackers and al-Queeras to regroup and find a new path. My personal opinion is the Taliban was never our target and once al-Queera slipped away we should have packed up and left... back in 2003. Once BushII put national prestige behind recreating a tribal society into a modern western one without much in the way of meaningful action our nation was stuck with trying to cover the dumb ass check BushII wrote....
 
You get that it was a military school with military targets. You are the one who isolated the word school for the emotional reaction. Own up to it.

Or there is of course the chance you didn't understand it was a military installation. Did you not understand it was a military installation?

Wandered a piece, haven't we, from the Second Amendment. Backpedaling, some would call it.
Don't presume to know what I think about a subject ahead of getting it from me. I have no patience for the sort of two-dimensional bickering some twits around here try to draw me into.
Done witcha.
 
Bush's fault. And us white people are racist.

Nope, Bush is responsible for an unstable Iraq and for much of our huge debt. He gets a little blame for Afghanistan (if he wasn't so obsessed with Iraq, maybe Afghanistan would have been handled correctly), but I'll blame Obama for the instability in Afghanistan. He should have left there in 2009.

As to the racist thing.... not all, but far too many.
 
The sooner we're out of there the better. I have no idea why we're still there.
 
I think the world is pissed about US imperialism, so perhaps we could agree on that.

American imperialism? What was the last country we conquered, looted, and pillaged? (Yes, I know I will get a bunch of liberals answering Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'm looking for an honest answer) Personally I blame nation building. If your attacked then you cripple your opponent and stay out of their country.
 
Wandered a piece, haven't we, from the Second Amendment. Backpedaling, some would call it.
Don't presume to know what I think about a subject ahead of getting it from me. I have no patience for the sort of two-dimensional bickering some twits around here try to draw me into.
Done witcha.

So you didn't know it was a military school or you went for an emotional reaction...which was it? Deflect away.
 
Nope, Bush is responsible for an unstable Iraq and for much of our huge debt. He gets a little blame for Afghanistan (if he wasn't so obsessed with Iraq, maybe Afghanistan would have been handled correctly), but I'll blame Obama for the instability in Afghanistan. He should have left there in 2009.

As to the racist thing.... not all, but far too many.
Clearly you need to listen to the good Rev Al.
 
Obama followed Bush's timetable and pulled out of Iraq. The result was a mess, as predicted. Obama's fault. He's a flaming liberal peacenik who snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Obama hasn't pulled out of Afganistan. Clearly, he's a raging war hawk determined to get us into further conflicts around the world.

It's really tough to be a liberal peacenik warhawk determined to pull out our troops and continue wars indefinitely.
I think your statement misses the overarching theme of what, IMO, is Pres Obama's intent. This, like every issue with him, is about politics. I believe Pres Obama continued with W's timeline with Iraq (which btw no one remembers it being his) and doubled down on Afghanistan because he was bent on portraying a sharp contrast to Pres Bush. Bush essentially forgot about Afghanistan and went all in on Iraq. Pres Obama did the opposite. Pres Obama did what he always does. He tried to play the middle of the road on the wrong road. IMO, the correct course of action would have been to pull out of Iraq as scheduled followed by an immediate announcement of a draw down Afghanistan with a date set for late 2010. I believe that would have given him something to hang his hat on as far as a legacy goes.
 
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If you take a good look at the guy’s posts you will see for yourself that his information rating really is kindergarten-level. About the same as yours, in fact.



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We have several 100k highly trained professional volunteers to take care of what needs to be taken care of.

If we had left about 20K in Iraq then ISIS would not have taken over about half the country. If we keep about 20k in Afghanistan then Taliban is not going to regain power.



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See post #128.

Yup. Standard chicken hawk response.

"Let's go to war. I'll stay here and play armchair patriot while you send your kids OK?"
 
As long as there is a USMC then its job will be to perform some form of "Democracy bidding". If you didn't know that when you signed up then it's your own damn fault.

If I was in power here you would be over there, now, in Afghanistan, doing the kind of work you supposedly volunteered for.

You do know that the the 9/11 plot was hatched and planned by Muslim radicals based in Afghanistan and hosted by the Taliban government, don't you? Or were you too busy keeping up with your homework to pay attention to the news back then? (Haha- homework? you?)

The short, sweet and simple point to staying in Afghanistan is above all else to avoid giving the place back to the same nightcreatures who had attacked us, and who we removed from power in 2001.
Homework? lol. I was a Corporal in 2001 sonny having already deployed once to Montenegro to capture Milosevic. Where were you? Do you even know who that is? If not, Im sure you'll Wikipedia it and claim you do.

I knew when I joined I would have to protect the ability of loud mouths like you to say stupid things such as "If I were in charge you'd be over there right now". Despite what neo-cons like you believe, our nation wasn't established to spread freedom. It was established to provide it to it's own citizens. What freedoms of yours have I protected by deploying to Afghanistan and Iraq 5 times? The 2001 Afghanistan invasion and subsequent operations involving SF and and Marine Expeditionary Unit were well orchestrated. After that people such as yourself put their nose in it and it turned into a farce. You need read a book or two and figure out the difference between defense (WW2 Pacific campaign) and offense (Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, etc).
 
Again, if President Obama had just packed the military up and left after being elected the howls from the CONs would have been deafening. Fact is in Afghanistan BushII left the place to rot and allowed the Tally whackers and al-Queeras to regroup and find a new path. My personal opinion is the Taliban was never our target and once al-Queera slipped away we should have packed up and left... back in 2003. Once BushII put national prestige behind recreating a tribal society into a modern western one without much in the way of meaningful action our nation was stuck with trying to cover the dumb ass check BushII wrote....
As opposed to the cons who love him now? Lol
 
I think your statement misses the overarching theme of what, IMO, is Pres Obama's intent. This, like every issue with him, is about politics. I believe Pres Obama continued with W's timeline with Iraq (which btw no one remembers it being his) and doubled down on Afghanistan because he was bent on portraying a sharp contrast to Pres Bush. Bush essentially forgot about Afghanistan and went all in on Iraq. Pres Obama did the opposite. Pres Obama did what he always does. He tried to play the middle of the road on the wrong road. IMO, the correct course of action would have been to pull out of Iraq as scheduled followed by an immediate announcement of a draw down Afghanistan with a date set for late 2010. I believe that would have given him something to hang his hat on as far as a legacy goes.

Agreed, every issue with him is about politics.

But, had he done as you suggest, then the Republicans would be lambasting him for having pulled out too soon and abandoned the war on terror.

Come to think of it, they're accusing him of that anyway, so what would it matter?
 
Agreed, every issue with him is about politics.

But, had he done as you suggest, then the Republicans would be lambasting him for having pulled out too soon and abandoned the war on terror.

Come to think of it, they're accusing him of that anyway, so what would it matter?

Exactly!! Lol
 
American imperialism? What was the last country we conquered, looted, and pillaged? (Yes, I know I will get a bunch of liberals answering Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'm looking for an honest answer) Personally I blame nation building. If your attacked then you cripple your opponent and stay out of their country.

im·pe·ri·al·ism
imˈpi(ə)rēəˌlizəm/
noun
a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.
"the struggle against imperialism"


EXTENDING POWER AND INFLUENCE THROUGH MILITARY FORCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
American imperialism? What was the last country we conquered, looted, and pillaged? (Yes, I know I will get a bunch of liberals answering Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'm looking for an honest answer) Personally I blame nation building. If your attacked then you cripple your opponent and stay out of their country.

It is our number export. Just ask anyone in the ME. 20 years ago, ask anyone in South America. We haven't messed with Asia in 70 years...they are probably due.
 
The sooner we're out of there the better. I have no idea why we're still there.

I say let's have a 1960's styled NASA project that we all get behind flipping our infrastructure to the electrical grid, pull all out of the ME and let Russia and China fight it out for ME oil instead of us. The ME is a one trick pony. Oil. And I'm all for making their pony completely worthless to own.
 
I say let's have a 1960's styled NASA project that we all get behind flipping our infrastructure to the electrical grid, pull all out of the ME and let Russia and China fight it out for ME oil instead of us. The ME is a one trick pony. Oil. And I'm all for making their pony completely worthless to own.

That would be a worthwhile objective, but we're a long way from it now. We've been talking about energy independence since before the OPEC oil crisis of the 1970s.

and talking, and talking......
 
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