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American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

shrubnose said:
I believe that for military pay purposes Afghanistan is a war zone.
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That's true; however, I don't know if this death would technically be attributed to "enemy action."
 
Montecresto said:
Another ****ing warmonger who fails to realize that US foreign policy in the ME has CREATED our enemies.
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This thread concerns Afghanistan. How about not jumping all over the place when you get into a tight spot?

I will comment any way, though:

Afghanistan/Taliban has no horse in the race in the ME. They created one out of a deranged and intransigent Islamic hatred. All people, including moderate Muslims, would be targeted by them.


Montecresto said:
Then further stupid US policy supports them, then further stupid policy removes people like Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad (in the works) who otherwise control these militant groups that the stupid US policy supports.

Take your jibberish somewhere else.
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This thread concerns Afghanistan. How about not jumping all over the place when you get into a tight spot?

I will comment any way, though:

Mubarak was relatively innocuous, and the US administration does not seem to be getting too much in the way of the present anti-Islamist Egyptian government.

Hussein was a serial mass murderer, Gaddafi was not much better, and Assad is probably as bad. Removing any such person would be just. I agree, however, that they are preferable to AQ-ISIS and I hope the US administration realizes so, and lends appropriate support to all enemies of AQ-ISIS, including Assad.
 
USViking said:
This thread concerns Afghanistan. How about not jumping all over the place when you get into a tight spot?

I will comment any way, though:

Afghanistan/Taliban has no horse in the race in the ME. They created one out of a deranged and intransigent Islamic hatred. All people, including moderate Muslims, would be targeted by them.



This thread concerns Afghanistan. How about not jumping all over the place when you get into a tight spot?

I will comment any way, though:

Mubarak was relatively innocuous, and the US administration does not seem to be getting too much in the way of the present anti-Islamist Egyptian government.

Hussein was a serial mass murderer, Gaddafi was not much better, and Assad is probably as bad. Removing any such person would be just. I agree, however, that they are preferable to AQ-ISIS and I hope the US administration realizes so, and lends appropriate support to all enemies of AQ-ISIS, including Assad.
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Well that's not happening. And decades of US policy has destabilized the ME. Patronizing Americans will be the ones to deny this, the rest readily acknowledge it.
 
Montecresto said:
What the **** does stand fast mean, keep a permanent military presence.
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It means decades, if necessary. See Western Europe, Korea and Japan for examples of what it means to "stand fast".



Montecresto said:
Hell no, the moment the last mans gone, this place turns back to what it's been since before the new kid on the block (America) was born.
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Afghanistan was not sponsoring international terrorism before the US was born, nor until over 200 years after the US was born.



Montecresto said:
Decades of US support for these militant Islamists is making matters worse.
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What are you talking about?



Montecresto said:
Intentional destabilization, or incompetent administration after another. Either way, we're facilitating the drowning of the ME in sectarian violence.
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AQ (the parent of ISIS) was created for two reasons: (1) Israel (2) US military presence in the Holy Country of Saudi Arabia (at the Saudi government's invitation) during Gulf War I.

I do not believe their is any regular US armed force presence in SA, but Israel is not going to go anywhere, so we are just going to have to ride out the storm.
 
Montecresto said:
Well that's not happening. And decades of US policy has destabilized the ME. Patronizing Americans will be the ones to deny this, the rest readily acknowledge it.
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The ME has been unstable literally since the hour Israel was created (by UN vote).

The entire Muslim congregation of the world has been demented by Israel's existence ever since. Israel is not going to abolish itself, and Israel and a nuclear deterrent, so we are going to have to make the best of it.
 
Did Cheney take us into Afghanistan in 2001 since you mention that year ?
USViking said:
How old were you in 2001?

Kindergarten age?

That would be about right considering the content of your post.

We went into Afghanistan for no other reason than that it was providing a base and refuge for the Osama Bin laden-Al Qaeda-Night Creatures who carried out the 9/11 attack.

It was a just war if there ever was one.

We have stayed there since only to ensure that the Night Creature host does not take over again.

If isolationist nitwits, such as you, have their way then the Night Creatures probably will return, and more of our people will die than if we stay as long as we need to.
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USViking said:
The ME has been unstable literally since the hour Israel was created (by UN vote).

The entire Muslim congregation of the world has been demented
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Then you would admit that Hitler is still with us in the ME since Israel was created out of the ashes of the Holocaust .
 
ConservaTEA Rightists are back to playing the "dancing on graves" card with a little out-of-context "what difference does it make" card for gravy. Crosby Stills and Nash is now your favorite group--just replace O--Hi--O with Ben--gha--ZI. Why don't you folks complain about Obama's dead in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh yeah--you do politicize death .
 
How terribly sad. Like the thousands of Afghan and coalition troops that went before him he gave his life in defense of democracy and the values of civilization. The training facility received 10,000 applications from eager Afghan recruits and I can only hope that those in the overwhelming majority go on to graduate and serve honorably for their country. For every attack like this it's worth remembering that 12,000 members of the Afghan security forces have died fighting the Taliban and its allies and frequent polls and voter participation have shown that support for the Taliban is in the minority. Yet it wouldn't be the first time a violent and entrenched minority has destroyed a country or an entire region.
 
NIMBY said:
Did Cheney take us into Afghanistan in 2001 since you mention that year ?
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You seem to be missing something.

It was a united American government, with the full support of a united American people that took us in.
 
NIMBY said:
Then you would admit that Hitler is still with us in the ME since Israel was created out of the ashes of the Holocaust .
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Look up Godwin's Law and then shut up. Just shut the f*** up.
 
Can we please stop referring to Afghanistan as "the Middle East"? It is NOT the Middle East.
 
Did 100% of our Congressmen and Senators vote for the war of choice in Iraq?
Why are you hiding from my question about Cheney going into the wrong country in 2001?
USViking said:
You seem to be missing something.

It was a united American government, with the full support of a united American people that took us in.
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Sure is nice when the Dems support the GOPs for foreign policy.
Dems rarely see thaqt reciprocated.

Remember how hard it was for your GOP to congratulate Obama on Usama.
Most of you Francoist ConservaTEAs went right to crediting Bush, didn't you ? :lamo
 
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I was hoping you would lamely try to play the "Godwin" card.
Denying that Israel was formed due to the Holocaust removes you from intelligent conversation.
USViking said:
Look up Godwin's Law and then shut up. Just shut the f*** up.
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So yes, Hitler still lives on in the Middle East, just as Hitler was formed by WW 1.
The Middle East was formed by WW 2.
You won't have to worry about what is formed from WW 3.

And please stuff your "poor little oh me indignant" card where it belongs .
 
apdst said:
Obama's the first president since WW2 to lose a general to enemy action. He'll wear that distinction as a badge of honor.
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Well, then, the general did not die if vain. He gave the Obamaissatan guys something else to rant about.
 
shrubnose said:
Wrong.

Marine Major General Bruno Hochmuth died in Vietnam on November 16, 1967. Johnson was president at that time.
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Do you understand what, "enemy action", means? General Hochmuth died when his aircraft exploded, in flight. Witnesses say they didn't observe enemy fire when the general's aircraft exploded.

So, yes Obama is the first president to have general KIA, since WW2. KIA means, "killed in action". I believe General Simon Boliver Buckner, Jr. was the last general KIA.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Well, then, the general did not die if vain. He gave the Obamaissatan guys something else to rant about.
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I'm sure Obama sees this as a win for the good guys.
 
NIMBY said:
Did 100% of our Congressmen and Senators vote for the war of choice in Iraq?
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I think there was one nay in the house and no nays in the Senate vis a vis Afgnaistan.

NIMBY said:
Why are you hiding from my question about Cheney going into the wrong country in 2001?
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I am not hiding from it, I am ignoring it because it doesn't make any sense.



NIMBY said:
Sure is nice when the Dems support the GOPs for foreign policy.
Dems rarely see thaqt reciprocated.
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You must have been beside yourself with joy in 2001, then.



NIMBY said:
Remember how hard it was for your GOP to congratulate Obama on Usama.
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Not my GOP, I usually vote Democrat. Including twice for Obama.



NIMBY said:
Most of you Francoist ConservaTEAs went right to crediting Bush, didn't you ? :lamo
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You don't get it.
 
Apdst just said that the President sees the General getting killed as a win for the good guys.
Does anyone else see a problem with that ?
apdst said:
I'm sure Obama sees this as a win for the good guys.
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USViking said:
I think there was one nay in the house and no nays in the Senate vis a vis Afgnaistan.
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Since I was talking about Iraq and you know it, this is a continuation of your monumental dodgeball.


I am not hiding from it, I am ignoring it because it doesn't make any sense.
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Why did we go to the Afghan theatre after Iraq instead of before it?
It makes all the sense in the world--unless you're a GOP who knows he's wrong.

You must have been beside yourself with joy in 2001, then.
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So now you're saying I was besides myself with joy in 2001, insinuating I supported terror against America.
That's a special kind of _______ that all posters on Debate Politics should see.


Not my GOP, I usually vote Democrat. Including twice for Obama.
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Conservatives in North Carolina don't do this--meaning you've now entered the B.I.L. Zone.



You don't get it.
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I'm not one of those whiny Dem Liberals who tries to help you ConservaTEAts correct yourself.
That would be Mission Impossible .
 
NIMBY said:
Did 100% of our Congressmen and Senators vote for the war of choice in Iraq?
Why are you hiding from my question about Cheney going into the wrong country in 2001?


Sure is nice when the Dems support the GOPs for foreign policy.
Dems rarely see thaqt reciprocated.

Remember how hard it was for your GOP to congratulate Obama on Usama.
Most of you Francoist ConservaTEAs went right to crediting Bush, didn't you ? :lamo
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Did 100% of Congress vote to go to war with Germany and Japan, in 1941?
 
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