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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Agreed, every issue with him is about politics.

    But, had he done as you suggest, then the Republicans would be lambasting him for having pulled out too soon and abandoned the war on terror.

    Come to think of it, they're accusing him of that anyway, so what would it matter?
    Exactly!! Lol
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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by DrPepper View Post
    American imperialism? What was the last country we conquered, looted, and pillaged? (Yes, I know I will get a bunch of liberals answering Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'm looking for an honest answer) Personally I blame nation building. If your attacked then you cripple your opponent and stay out of their country.
    im·pe·ri·al·ism
    imˈpi(ə)rēəˌlizəm/
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    a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.
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    EXTENDING POWER AND INFLUENCE THROUGH MILITARY FORCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by DrPepper View Post
    American imperialism? What was the last country we conquered, looted, and pillaged? (Yes, I know I will get a bunch of liberals answering Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'm looking for an honest answer) Personally I blame nation building. If your attacked then you cripple your opponent and stay out of their country.
    It is our number export. Just ask anyone in the ME. 20 years ago, ask anyone in South America. We haven't messed with Asia in 70 years...they are probably due.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    The sooner we're out of there the better. I have no idea why we're still there.
    I say let's have a 1960's styled NASA project that we all get behind flipping our infrastructure to the electrical grid, pull all out of the ME and let Russia and China fight it out for ME oil instead of us. The ME is a one trick pony. Oil. And I'm all for making their pony completely worthless to own.
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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I say let's have a 1960's styled NASA project that we all get behind flipping our infrastructure to the electrical grid, pull all out of the ME and let Russia and China fight it out for ME oil instead of us. The ME is a one trick pony. Oil. And I'm all for making their pony completely worthless to own.
    That would be a worthwhile objective, but we're a long way from it now. We've been talking about energy independence since before the OPEC oil crisis of the 1970s.

    and talking, and talking......
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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That would be a worthwhile objective, but we're a long way from it now. We've been talking about energy independence since before the OPEC oil crisis of the 1970s.

    and talking, and talking......
    I've high hopes these days. With Tesla not only having the tech to do it but also Tesla having relinquished their patents so all car companies can use that tech now. The next car they build is projected to be $35,000 so the tech is there and the prices are coming down. When they get their gigawatt battery factory built my hopes will rise even more.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I've high hopes these days. With Tesla not only having the tech to do it but also Tesla having relinquished their patents so all car companies can use that tech now. The next car they build is projected to be $35,000 so the tech is there and the prices are coming down. When they get their gigawatt battery factory built my hopes will rise even more.
    I love that, and I'll buy one!
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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I've high hopes these days. With Tesla not only having the tech to do it but also Tesla having relinquished their patents so all car companies can use that tech now. The next car they build is projected to be $35,000 so the tech is there and the prices are coming down. When they get their gigawatt battery factory built my hopes will rise even more.
    Electric cars may be one way, but we don't want to put all of our eggs into one basket. We can run cars on natural gas or on diesel made from coal. We need to get serious about bio fuel research. We can exploit the oil shale and tar sands in North America. We can attack this problem from several angles at the same time.
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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Homework? lol. I was a Corporal in 2001 sonny
    Sonny?

    In 1971 I was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate (English Lit and Political Science double major; 3.3gpa) of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. As a 1967 HS senior I earned 4s on both the English and European AP exams.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Where were you?
    I was in my 30th year as a working man.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    having already deployed once to Montenegro to capture Milosevic. Do you even know who that is?
    Yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    If not, Im sure you'll Wikipedia it and claim you do.
    I did not know the details of Milosevic's apprehension so I did go to Wiki to find out. He was arrested and extradited by his own government. No mention of any USMC role in the events.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I knew when I joined I would have to protect the ability of loud mouths like you to say stupid things such as "If I were in charge you'd be over there right now".
    The USMC always performs its missions as well as they can be performed. Unfortunately your USMC experience is completely and totally useless as an education in the requirements of national security policy, except maybe for the obvious need to maintain strong, versatile armed forces.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Despite what neo-cons like you believe, our nation wasn't established to spread freedom. It was established to provide it to it's own citizens. What freedoms of yours have I protected by deploying to Afghanistan
    This is what I mean about your inadequate education. Even though goddam 9/11 occurred while you were in the service you are oblivious to the fact that the people who planned 9/11 were based in Afghanistan; most of the country was a giant safe house provided by Taliban for Al Qaeda terrorist plotters and terrorist training. Taliban had to be removed by force to eliminate the threat and Taliban MUST BE PREVENTED BY FORCE FROM TAKING OVER AGAIN OR WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED FROM. It would be as though Milosevic was acquitted on some technicality and lived to return to the Balkans and had enough support remaining to start another round of ethnic cleansing.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    and Iraq 5 times?
    Here is a thread I started on Iraq:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/intern...-gulf-war.html


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The 2001 Afghanistan invasion and subsequent operations involving SF and and Marine Expeditionary Unit were well orchestrated.
    Yes they were, although overall force strength committed should have been much higher. The Taliban-AQ bastards had been caught in the open and more of them could have been wiped out before they had a chance to head for the hills.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    After that people such as yourself put their nose in it and it turned into a farce.
    What are you talking about?


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    You need read a book or two and figure out the difference between defense (WW2 Pacific campaign)
    I know so much more about WW2 than you do it's ridiculous. Not that you know enough to take part in an intelligent conversation, especially considering that several of the USMC's greatest victories took place in offensive operations in that theater, multiple 1000s of miles away from US territory.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    and offense (Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, etc).
    What's your point?

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Sonny?
    Sorry for the sonny reference. I assumed your juvenile tone pointed to someone that is under the age of 25.
    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    In 1971 I was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate (English Lit and Political Science double major; 3.3gpa) of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. As a 1967 HS senior I earned 4s on both the English and European AP exams.
    Ahh, so you're one of those guys. You had the opportunity to volunteer and chose college instead. Things are starting to make sense now....Make sure you flex those GPA muscles though. I wouldn't be bragging about a 3.3 in English Lit and Political Science bro. Both of those perennially make the top 10 most worthless majors list.

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    The USMC always performs its missions as well as they can be performed. Unfortunately your USMC experience is completely and totally useless as an education in the requirements of national security policy, except maybe for the obvious need to maintain strong, versatile armed forces.
    Speaking of education. Maybe you should educate yourself on what is required of Marines as far as Professional Military Education when they progress in rank. I'd be willing to wager that I have far more hours and college credits than you in the aforementioned subject as well as other similar subjects. We're not the simple automatons that you assume we are or the one you avoided being back when your went to college instead of joining in the late 60's.

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    This is what I mean about your inadequate education. Even though goddam 9/11 occurred while you were in the service you are oblivious to the fact that the people who planned 9/11 were based in Afghanistan; most of the country was a giant safe house provided by Taliban for Al Qaeda terrorist plotters and terrorist training. Taliban had to be removed by force to eliminate the threat and Taliban MUST BE PREVENTED BY FORCE FROM TAKING OVER AGAIN OR WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED FROM. It would be as though Milosevic was acquitted on some technicality and lived to return to the Balkans and had enough support remaining to start another round of ethnic cleansing.
    1) I love how you accuse me of inadequate education IRT Afghanistan and 9/11 then address my statement about SF and a MEU in Afghanistan later in the same post. Maybe if YOU knew a little about history you would know that SF, the CIA, and a MEU were the first ones on the ground in Afghanistan back in 2001. Oh wait, I even noted the year 2001 in that statement. Read much? Obviously my reference to them points to the fact that I know exactly what has happened in our world during my time in the Marine Corps. I was guarding an Air Force communications plane that has a higher security clearance than Air Force 1. Where were you? Being the "working man" with your Phi Beta Dodga graduate status? Take a step back and get a hold of yourself. Deal with your inner draft dodging demons and move on.
    2) Most of Afghanistan was not a "giant safe house" for the Taliban. They were mostly concentrated in the southern desert region.
    3) Your comparison of Milosevic to the Taliban makes absolutely no sense. Milosevic committed genocide against his people. The Taliban actively sought to commit terrorist acts against us and other countries. Big, big difference in the two.

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Here is a thread I started on Iraq:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/intern...-gulf-war.html
    Good for you. Got better things to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Yes they were, although overall force strength committed should have been much higher. The Taliban-AQ bastards had been caught in the open and more of them could have been wiped out before they had a chance to head for the hills.
    Nonsense. We were faring much better in Afghanistan until "jointness" reared it's ugly head and every neo-con General was chomping at the bit to "get in the fight". Once the heavy, slow to react Army brigades started showing up, things got messy fast. That is why, typically, Marine units have fared better in a COIN environment. We are lighter and better equipped for the rapidly changing environments involved in COIN as are SF units and CIA Paramilitary.

    Tell me, oh great military genius, how could more ground troops have helped during OBL's epic run in Tora Bora? Where would we have based them? We held one airfield at that point. How would we have logistically supported them? Do you know that over 70% of supplies are brought in to Afghanistan via tractor trailer along the southern border? How could we have established that supply line AND chased OBL? You have to do one or the other. Do you even know how taxing it would have been on a regular infantry unit to move through the terrain they would have had to move through to chase him? Of course you don't because you've never done it. You keep talking about that degree though.


    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    What are you talking about?
    You, the neo-con.


    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    I know so much more about WW2 than you do it's ridiculous.
    Statements such as this are why I assumed you were under the age of 25. You have never met me. Have never even exchanged posts with me. And you make this broad assumption? lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Not that you know enough to take part in an intelligent conversation, especially considering that several of the USMC's greatest victories took place in offensive operations in that theater, multiple 1000s of miles away from US territory.
    Please keep up. Why, WW2 buff, did we begin the Pacific Campaign during WW2? Because we were attacked first. Thus, our reaction to that was defensive. If Japan hadn't attacked first, we would not have attacked them. Thus, the Pacific Campaign can be classified as National DEFENSE. Also, as with National Security policy, I would wager I have far more hours in military history than you. In fact, I know I do. The only way you would have more is if you majored in it. Watching the History Channel doesn't make you an expert.

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    What's your point?
    My point is that anytime we go on the offensive for stupid political reasons such as the ones you are advocating for, it turns out bad. Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc have all turned out bad for us. The area we left was not any better than when we first arrived. Desert Storm is the lone exception and Pres Bush I demonstrated enormous restraint by not listening to neocons such as yourself and doing exactly what he said he would do and no more. If a people do not WANT freedom we can't MAKE them take it.
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