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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Preferred by whom? The people in Syria and Egypt desired democracy, the people in Iran desire true democracy, despite the horrendous bloodshed brought about by militant Islamists democracy remains the favored form of government there, Palestinians have experience with and desire a democratic form of government, I could go on and on. The argument that these people need to be kept in line by a military dictator is colonialist and imperialist propaganda.
    Preferred by every rational person and the citizens as well, AS I SAID, short of democracy. So we remove Hussein, Mubarak Gaddafi and are attempting to remove president Assad and militant Islam is stronger than its ever been and you find this good, lol.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Preferred by every rational person and the citizens as well, AS I SAID, short of democracy. So we remove Hussein, Mubarak Gaddafi and are attempting to remove president Assad and militant Islam is stronger than its ever been and you find this good, lol.
    The militant Islamists in Libya? The minority. The militant Islamists in Iraq? The minority. Even in Syria the militant Islamists were for a very long time the decisive minority. These people cannot be denied their rights to freedom because of extremely capable and violent extremist groups. You are essentially asserting a brand of Colonialist logic.

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, he was killed.
    There you go, it was a suicide mission. He knew that there was no way in hell he was going to walk out of there.

    Having waves of marching marines is not going to discourage these types, if any thing it makes them drool with a larger target.


    The suicide killer will always be a thorn in our side no matter abroad or homeland.

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The militant Islamists in Libya? The minority. The militant Islamists in Iraq? The minority. Even in Syria the militant Islamists were for a very long time the decisive minority. These people cannot be denied their rights to freedom because of extremely capable and violent extremist groups. You are essentially asserting a brand of Colonialist logic.
    Who said that they need to be denied anything. First of all it is not the US obligation to be conducting "regime change", this is what has China and Russia pushing back on the US where Syria is concerned, secondly, we haven't the will or the capability to protect citizens from the suffering these Islamist extremist, kept in check by the authoritarian regime, project upon them.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What are you talking about? Afghanistan was not formed by 'colonial masters' it was pulled together by indigenous forces. No one is trying to 'force' Afghanistan to stay together just like no one is trying to tear it apart. It isn't like the Taliban has been a secessionist movement. I think you are deeply confused.


    Yes it was...


    'After the Great Eastern Crisis broke out and the Russians sent an uninvited diplomatic mission to Kabul in 1878, Britain demanded that the ruler of Afghanistan, Sher Ali, accept a British diplomatic mission. The mission was turned back, and in retaliation a force of 40,000 men was sent across the border, launching the Second Anglo-Afghan War. The war's conclusion left Abdur Rahman Khan on the throne, and he agreed to let the British control Afghanistan's foreign affairs, while he consolidated his position on the throne. He managed to suppress internal rebellions with ruthless efficiency and brought much of the country under central control.

    In 1884, Russian expansionism brought about another crisis – the Panjdeh Incident – when they seized the oasis of Merv. The Russians claimed all of the former ruler's territory and fought with Afghan troops over the oasis of Panjdeh. On the brink of war between the two great powers, the British decided to accept the Russian possession of territory north of the Amu Darya as a fait accompli.

    Without any Afghan say in the matter, between 1885 and 1888 the Joint Anglo-Russian Boundary Commission agreed the Russians would relinquish the farthest territory captured in their advance, but retain Panjdeh. The agreement delineated a permanent northern Afghan frontier at the Amu Darya, with the loss of a large amount of territory, especially around Panjdeh.'


    The Great Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    'Signed on August 31, 1907, in St. Petersburg, Russia, the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907 brought shaky British-Russian relations to the forefront by solidifying boundaries that identified respective control in Persia, Afghanistan, and Tibet.'

    Anglo-Russian Entente - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    'The Russians accepted that the politics of Afghanistan were solely under British control as long as the British guaranteed not to change the regime.'

    The Great Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    'The Durand Line (Pashto: د ډیورنډ کرښه‎) refers to the 2,640 kilometers (1,640 mi) long porous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. It was established after an 1893 agreement between Sir Mortimer Durand of British India and Afghan Amir Abdur Rahman Khan for fixing the limit of their respective spheres of influence as well as improving diplomatic relations and trade. It is named after Sir Mortimer Durand, K.C.I.E., a British diplomat and civil servant of colonial British India. Afghanistan was considered by the British as an independent princely state at the time, although the British controlled its foreign affairs and diplomatic relations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line


    So, the northern border was determined by a British-Russian agreement without even consulting the Afghan people. While the Eastern border was decided by the British and an Afghan leader who was in Britain's back pocket.

    And you say 'Afghanistan was not formed by 'colonial masters''.

    Suuuuuuure it wasn't.


    As for Afghanistan being a joke as one country:

    'the main northern ethnic groups, Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara, who together account for about 60 percent of the population, in order to drive the Taleban from power in 2001. But the Taleban were and still are the major political vehicle for the Pashtuns, who are about 40 percent of the population.'

    Gwynne Dyer: Afghanistan an unwinnable war - StumbleUpon


    America is trying to train a united Afghan army and they are supporting a corrupt central government. They are DEFINITELY trying to keep Afghanistan together.


    Afghanistan is a collection of tribes/ethnic groups that were pushed into the present boundaries mostly by colonial powers. The people were forced into it and were never given a say in the matter.

    It is now time for the West to butt out what is none of their business and let the Afghani's decide their own fate.


    You do not agree - fine.

    If you want to ignore the obvious and history...go ahead.



    Good day.
    Last edited by DA60; 08-06-14 at 01:21 AM.

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    There you go, it was a suicide mission. He knew that there was no way in hell he was going to walk out of there.

    Having waves of marching marines is not going to discourage these types, if any thing it makes them drool with a larger target.


    The suicide killer will always be a thorn in our side no matter abroad or homeland.
    If only such suicidal tendencies could be predicted.
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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post


    Yes it was...


    'After the Great Eastern Crisis broke out and the Russians sent an uninvited diplomatic mission to Kabul in 1878, Britain demanded that the ruler of Afghanistan, Sher Ali, accept a British diplomatic mission. The mission was turned back, and in retaliation a force of 40,000 men was sent across the border, launching the Second Anglo-Afghan War. The war's conclusion left Abdur Rahman Khan on the throne, and he agreed to let the British control Afghanistan's foreign affairs, while he consolidated his position on the throne. He managed to suppress internal rebellions with ruthless efficiency and brought much of the country under central control.

    In 1884, Russian expansionism brought about another crisis – the Panjdeh Incident – when they seized the oasis of Merv. The Russians claimed all of the former ruler's territory and fought with Afghan troops over the oasis of Panjdeh. On the brink of war between the two great powers, the British decided to accept the Russian possession of territory north of the Amu Darya as a fait accompli.

    Without any Afghan say in the matter, between 1885 and 1888 the Joint Anglo-Russian Boundary Commission agreed the Russians would relinquish the farthest territory captured in their advance, but retain Panjdeh. The agreement delineated a permanent northern Afghan frontier at the Amu Darya, with the loss of a large amount of territory, especially around Panjdeh.'


    The Great Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    'Signed on August 31, 1907, in St. Petersburg, Russia, the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907 brought shaky British-Russian relations to the forefront by solidifying boundaries that identified respective control in Persia, Afghanistan, and Tibet.'

    Anglo-Russian Entente - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    'The Russians accepted that the politics of Afghanistan were solely under British control as long as the British guaranteed not to change the regime.'

    The Great Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    'The Durand Line (Pashto: د ډیورنډ کرښه‎) refers to the 2,640 kilometers (1,640 mi) long porous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. It was established after an 1893 agreement between Sir Mortimer Durand of British India and Afghan Amir Abdur Rahman Khan for fixing the limit of their respective spheres of influence as well as improving diplomatic relations and trade. It is named after Sir Mortimer Durand, K.C.I.E., a British diplomat and civil servant of colonial British India. Afghanistan was considered by the British as an independent princely state at the time, although the British controlled its foreign affairs and diplomatic relations.

    Durand Line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    So, the northern border was determined by a British-Russian agreement without even consulting the Afghan people. While the Eastern border was decided by the British and an Afghan leader who was in Britain's back pocket.

    And you say 'Afghanistan was not formed by 'colonial masters''.

    Suuuuuuure it wasn't.


    As for Afghanistan being a joke as one country:

    'the main northern ethnic groups, Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara, who together account for about 60 percent of the population, in order to drive the Taleban from power in 2001. But the Taleban were and still are the major political vehicle for the Pashtuns, who are about 40 percent of the population.'

    Gwynne Dyer: Afghanistan an unwinnable war - StumbleUpon


    America is trying to train a united Afghan army and they are supporting a corrupt central government. They are DEFINITELY trying to keep Afghanistan together.


    Afghanistan is a collection of tribes/ethnic groups that were pushed into the present boundaries mostly by colonial powers. The people were forced into it and were never given a say in the matter.

    It is now time for the West to butt out what is none of their business and let the Afghani's decide their own fate.


    You do not agree - fine.

    If you want to ignore the obvious and history...go ahead.



    Good day.
    What? Do you even read your own links? Afghanistan was an independent entity long before the arrival of the British or the Russians. Both competed over Central Asia and snipped at its territory. The Hotaki and Durrani and numerous other independent princedoms and kingdoms came about indigenously. You are misinformed.

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Since I was talking about Iraq and you know it, this is a continuation of your monumental dodgeball.



    Why did we go to the Afghan theatre after Iraq instead of before it?
    It makes all the sense in the world--unless you're a GOP who knows he's wrong.


    So now you're saying I was besides myself with joy in 2001, insinuating I supported terror against America.
    That's a special kind of _______ that all posters on Debate Politics should see.



    Conservatives in North Carolina don't do this--meaning you've now entered the B.I.L. Zone.




    I'm not one of those whiny Dem Liberals who tries to help you ConservaTEAts correct yourself.
    That would be Mission Impossible .
    I just have to mention that we were in Afghanistan a few years before we went to Iraq. Not sure where you are getting your facts from but you might want to research a bit more. Not knowing very basic facts like this makes it very hard to but much credence into anything else you say.

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    Re: American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy - ABC News

    Very serious, I hope the response to this from the US is a military one. We can't allow this.
    The Obama White House will have no problem living with it.

    The Obama White House will just call it violence in the work place.

    The Obama White will probably declare Camp Qargha as a gun free zone.

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