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    New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Activists aren't the only ones fed up with Congress’ inaction on immigration reform. The country's largest states—California, New York, and Texas—have been looking for ways to take matters into their own hands when it comes to granting rights to undocumented residents.

    In New York, Democratic state Sen. Gustavo Rivera and Assembly Member Karim Camara, along with a coalition of supporters, introduced the New York is Home Act. If passed in the next legislative session, this unprecedented bill would create a path to state citizenship for tax-paying non-citizen residents of New York who have lived in the state for three years and can provide proof of identity.

    If it succeeds, a whopping 2.7 million New Yorkers could gain those benefits, as well as being able to vote and run for office in state and local elections, be eligible for Medicaid, and would gain human rights protections against discrimination based on their citizenship status.

    Does this sound like a fair Bill, or way to get Congress to act?
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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Does this sound like a fair Bill, or way to get Congress to act?
    Mornin Grip. We were just discussing this. Some coffee and ya good to go.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigr...post1063605083

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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Does this sound like a fair Bill, or way to get Congress to act?
    What is "state citizenship"? I think states would be over-stepping their authority by granting "state citizenship" to circumvent Federal authority.
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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Grip. We were just discussing this. Some coffee and ya good to go.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigr...post1063605083

    I did a search before posting but didn't find the dupe thread.


    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is "state citizenship"? I think states would be over-stepping their authority by granting "state citizenship" to circumvent Federal authority.
    Obviously there are two forms of citizenship's, with one being federal and the other being of the state.
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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Obviously there are two forms of citizenship's, with one being federal and the other being of the state.
    There's nothing "obvious" about it. Never heard of it before.
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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There's nothing "obvious" about it. Never heard of it before.
    You never heard of a state making laws (legal marijuana) that are in violation of federal laws? You've never heard of being a resident of a state and subjected to state laws, like the DMV? A person may have different rights under state laws, including the state making them citizens, doesn't make them proceed federal ones.
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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is "state citizenship"? I think states would be over-stepping their authority by granting "state citizenship" to circumvent Federal authority.
    I think it's about forcing the feds on the issue.

    Kinda like what I think will happen with healthcare, a la Saskatchewan.
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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You never heard of a state making laws (legal marijuana) that are in violation of federal laws? You've never heard of being a resident of a state and subjected to state laws, like the DMV? A person may have different rights under state laws, including the state making them citizens, doesn't make them proceed federal ones.
    Being a "resident of a state" I've most certainly heard of. I've never heard it termed "citizen of a state".

    I wish them good luck with that idea. If they pass laws that usurp Federal authority, they'll be challenged. If they pass laws that work they want they WANT them to work, they'll go broke. The influx of illegals into their state will be overwhelming.
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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Being a "resident of a state" I've most certainly heard of. I've never heard it termed "citizen of a state".

    I wish them good luck with that idea. If they pass laws that usurp Federal authority, they'll be challenged. If they pass laws that work they want they WANT them to work, they'll go broke. The influx of illegals into their state will be overwhelming.
    The influx will have voting rights in local and state elections. This is the scary part.

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    Re: New York to D.C.: We'll Figure Out Immigration on Our Own, Since You Can't

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Being a "resident of a state" I've most certainly heard of. I've never heard it termed "citizen of a state".

    I wish them good luck with that idea. If they pass laws that usurp Federal authority, they'll be challenged. If they pass laws that work they want they WANT them to work, they'll go broke. The influx of illegals into their state will be overwhelming.
    I'm not a scholar on the subject but here's some info I found on citizenship.


    Those who, under the Constitution and laws of the United States, or of a particular community or of a foreign country, owe allegiance and are entitled to the enjoyment of all Civil Rights that Accrue to those who qualify for that status. Neither the United States nor a state is a citizen for purposes of diversity of citizen-ship, a phrase that is used in regard to the jurisdiction of the federal courts, which—under Article III, Section 2, of the Constitution—empowers those courts to hear and decide cases between citizens of different states. Municipalities and other local governments, however, are deemed to be citizens.

    The term citizen in Article III of the Constitution, which established the federal judiciary, includes corporations; therefore, suits concerning corporations involve citizens for federal jurisdictional purposes. The term citizen, however, as defined by the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, does not encompass either corporations or Aliens. Neither corporations nor aliens receive the protection of the Privileges and Immunities Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment and Article IV, as those clauses protect only citizens.

    Aliens, however, are considered to be "persons" for the purposes of the due process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments and the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    Citizen of a State legal definition of Citizen of a State
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