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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    But because it has such a high virulence, it's irresponsible to bring a potential disease vector into the country when it is looking potentially like the start of an epidemic.

    If these people were housed in bsl-4 facilities, maybe, but how do we know others weren't infected in flight?
    Because this wasn't freaking coach class on a Delta flight, but rather a military aircraft that knew the patients were infected?

    I mean, are you picturing them just sitting in a seat and nobody else on the plane is wearing protective gear?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group

    Seems that it might be a bit more airborne than was previously thought.
    I'm not sure you understand what "airborne" means. This study just says inter-species transmission occurs through species we didn't know of before.

    But funny you should mention recent studies:

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ey-study-shows
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because this wasn't freaking coach class on a Delta flight, but rather a military aircraft that knew the patients were infected?

    I mean, are you picturing them just sitting in a seat and nobody else on the plane is wearing protective gear?
    Regardless, it's irresponsible to bring potential disease vectors into the country... Especially when you are dealing with a virus that is to be worked on in bio safety level 4 facilities.

    A quarantine wing In a hospital like the dr was brought to is bsl-2 MAX.



    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm not sure you understand what "airborne" means. This study just says inter-species transmission occurs through species we didn't know of before.

    But funny you should mention recent studies:

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ey-study-shows
    Right, but that was in a situation where there was no direct contact between the species.

    Airborne does not necessarily mean it spreads through the wind, if just being on the receiving end of a sneeze 20 ft away would still constitute airborne transmission, further distinction is really just nitpicking beyond that...

    The other issue is the lag from getting infected to showing symptoms, that will cause problems.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Uhh, no, you're the one reacting out of fear. I am reacting based on the fact that the risk is negligible. You can't assure me a meteor wont strike my head tomorrow. That doesn't mean I'm going to plan my day around the idea.

    These people are Americans, and they can be treated better here than there. We can study the virus better here than there. Africa doesn't have the infrastructure, resources, or expertise to do this like we can.

    There's no reason not to bring these people here. This is not an airborne virus. It really doesn't spread easily.
    There is no logical reason to bring them here. We can't treat them better here. The treatment is antibiotics and monitoring their vitals. We sent the drug that was manufactured in Seattle to them in Africa.

    Your metaphor of meteors doesn't work. Africa is approaching 1000 dead and 1800 infected. Did 1800 people get grazed on the head with a meteor yesterday?

    The virus could not be contained by people who are trained not to be exposed to the virus. Do you understand how the doctor and nurse got infected? You cannot assure that it won't happen again. And because you can't assure that it can't happen again, it does not make logical sense to transport them across the ocean while they are carrying the virus.
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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    There is no logical reason to bring them here. We can't treat them better here. The treatment is antibiotics and monitoring their vitals. We sent the drug that was manufactured in Seattle to them in Africa.

    Your metaphor of meteors doesn't work. Africa is approaching 1000 dead and 1800 infected. Did 1800 people get grazed on the head with a meteor yesterday?

    The virus could not be contained by people who are trained not to be exposed to the virus. Do you understand how the doctor and nurse got infected? You cannot assure that it won't happen again. And because you can't assure that it can't happen again, it does not make logical sense to transport them across the ocean while they are carrying the virus.
    Exactly... and because it kills 90% of those infected, even though it does not spread quickly, it still gets treated as the highest level of safety protocol.

    However, it's at least Canada, us, and Germany that have deliberately imported infected people.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    There is no logical reason to bring them here. We can't treat them better here. The treatment is antibiotics and monitoring their vitals. We sent the drug that was manufactured in Seattle to them in Africa.

    Your metaphor of meteors doesn't work. Africa is approaching 1000 dead and 1800 infected. Did 1800 people get grazed on the head with a meteor yesterday?

    The virus could not be contained by people who are trained not to be exposed to the virus. Do you understand how the doctor and nurse got infected? You cannot assure that it won't happen again. And because you can't assure that it can't happen again, it does not make logical sense to transport them across the ocean while they are carrying the virus.
    You can't assure anything. Anything can fail. But sometimes the odds are low enough.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You can't assure anything. Anything can fail. But sometimes the odds are low enough.
    And I absolutely agree with that. Here is where we differ. I am not convinced there was a need to bring them back to America and increase the odds here. We could have negated the odds by not allowing it to cross the ocean.
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