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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I am not so widely enthusiastic about that. The doctor and the nurse have both said they took proper precautions to keep themselves from contracting the virus. Now, doctors and nurses in America are going to take the proper precautions to keep themselves from contracting the virus. I didn't work in Africa, why are we so sure we can do that here in America?

    Great point on flying coach though. That was my point initially. I am so glad you could help me find the way on that.
    They were both transported by military aircraft to military fields. These people know what they're doing.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Because you are a "germaphobe", you will probably add years to your life and spare yourself some unwanted invasions into your body......

    Keep washing those hands!

    I too have read different accounts where physicians can be the crux of spreading disease from their ties they would once dress in that were never laundered daily to the use of their cell phones contaminated from one patient to the next.
    Or lose years from the cumulative effects of those years of anxiety and stress.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They were both transported by military aircraft to military fields. These people know what they're doing.
    The same people knew what they were doing and contracted the virus. We aren't perfect. Because we aren't perfect, mistakes can happen and have.
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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    The same people knew what they were doing and contracted the virus. We aren't perfect. Because we aren't perfect, mistakes can happen and have.
    If your target is perfection, humanity will never attempt anything. By your metric, we shouldn't even attempt to treat patients with ebola at all. Just, what, lock them in a room to die, right? Mistakes happen!

    We have procedures that bring the risk to negligible levels. We have procedures that mitigate damage should mistakes occur. These are controlled circumstances.

    This thing is not a virus from a zombie movie. It really doesn't spread that well. The only reason anyone gives a **** about ebola is its unusually high mortality rate.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If your target is perfection, humanity will never attempt anything. By your metric, we shouldn't even attempt to treat patients with ebola at all. Just, what, lock them in a room to die, right? Mistakes happen!

    We have procedures that bring the risk to negligible levels. We have procedures that mitigate damage should mistakes occur. These are controlled circumstances.

    This thing is not a virus from a zombie movie. It really doesn't spread that well. The only reason anyone gives a **** about ebola is its unusually high mortality rate.
    I didn't say any of that. Show me where I said don't treat ebola patients at all. You can't. Silly comments like that make it hard to take you honestly.

    You can never eliminate risk, you can only try to manage it. And the best way to do that is keep the virus off this continent. The doctor and nurse who are affected were taking the proper precautions. They have said that themselves. Yet they still caught the virus.

    There is absolutely no reason for bringing it across the Atlantic.
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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I didn't say any of that. Show me where I said don't treat ebola patients at all. You can't. Silly comments like that make it hard to take you honestly.

    You can never eliminate risk, you can only try to manage it. And the best way to do that is keep the virus off this continent. The doctor and nurse who are affected were taking the proper precautions. They have said that themselves. Yet they still caught the virus.

    There is absolutely no reason for bringing it across the Atlantic.
    You bring it across the Atlantic to study it and treat the people infected.

    They say they took proper precautions. What were those precautions? Do you know? Do you really think they had access to the kind of equipment, infrastructure, and trained personnel we have here?

    The risk of release is negligible. I'll bet forum donations that it doesn't escape these two patients in the facilities they are in now. Say, 100:1 odds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You bring it across the Atlantic to study it and treat the people infected.

    They say they took proper precautions. What were those precautions? Do you know? Do you really think they had access to the kind of equipment, infrastructure, and trained personnel we have here?

    The risk of release is negligible. I'll bet forum donations that it doesn't escape these two patients in the facilities they are in now. Say, 100:1 odds?
    Yes, they followed the protocol they were given. Does it matter if I know? No. It matters that the experts know. The same experts who are bringing it here to study. Study it there. Don't bring it here.

    You have are making an emotional argument and not a rational one. You haven't provided one reason to bring it across the Atlantic. You can't assure, and neither can the doctors that it will not spread here.
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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Yes, they followed the protocol they were given. Does it matter if I know? No. It matters that the experts know. The same experts who are bringing it here to study. Study it there. Don't bring it here.

    You have are making an emotional argument and not a rational one. You haven't provided one reason to bring it across the Atlantic. You can't assure, and neither can the doctors that it will not spread here.
    Uhh, no, you're the one reacting out of fear. I am reacting based on the fact that the risk is negligible. You can't assure me a meteor wont strike my head tomorrow. That doesn't mean I'm going to plan my day around the idea.

    These people are Americans, and they can be treated better here than there. We can study the virus better here than there. Africa doesn't have the infrastructure, resources, or expertise to do this like we can.

    There's no reason not to bring these people here. This is not an airborne virus. It really doesn't spread easily.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No it ****ing isn't. This isn't a zombie movie. This virus is not airborne. It is not difficult to contain.
    http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/1211...srep00811.html

    Seems that it might be a bit more airborne than was previously thought.

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    Re: Mount Sinai patient tested for Ebola virus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Uhh, no, you're the one reacting out of fear. I am reacting based on the fact that the risk is negligible. You can't assure me a meteor wont strike my head tomorrow. That doesn't mean I'm going to plan my day around the idea.

    These people are Americans, and they can be treated better here than there. We can study the virus better here than there. Africa doesn't have the infrastructure, resources, or expertise to do this like we can.

    There's no reason not to bring these people here. This is not an airborne virus. It really doesn't spread easily.
    But because it has such a high virulence, it's irresponsible to bring a potential disease vector into the country when it is looking potentially like the start of an epidemic.

    If these people were housed in bsl-4 facilities, maybe, but how do we know others weren't infected in flight?

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