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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Record low temperatures & precipitation, sunshine, calm winds, then the other day a heavy T-storm washed a motherlode of fertilizer off the dry farmland. And it all ends up in lake Erie watershed.

    A huge cyanobacteria laden algae bloom, colloquially known as "nasty green pond scum" has covered western lake Erie. Maumee bay in particular, where the Toledo municipal water supply comes from, has got the worst of the green scum invasion.

    In another thread I mentioned that I drank almost three pitchers of iced tea that I made with tap water before I got the news that you were not supposed to drink the water. I have no idea how much of the toxin I ingested.
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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Here in Mexifornia formerly California we have been told not to drink the water because there's not enough water to go around.

    UAC (Unaccompanied Alien Children) are of course exempt from the restrictions.

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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True, but as difficult as it is, it's easier to control agriculture than it is to control the climate.
    Well it's the most fertile land in Ohio (being ex-swamp land) so it's a bit easier said then done. Especially when that area relies on farming related industry more and more.
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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Well it's the most fertile land in Ohio (being ex-swamp land) so it's a bit easier said then done. Especially when that area relies on farming related industry more and more.
    It seems to me that the mayflies may have something to do with it too. This summer there was a particularly heavy mayfly invasion in the area. They had to use snowplows to clear mayflies off the streets in Point Place. And as I recall, the doppler weather radar on a local news channel showed them concentrated in the same area where the worst algal blooms in Maumee bay are now. And unfortunately that is right where the water intake crib is located.

    Stone Lab Research Finds Mayflies to be Possible Source of Phosphorus Loading
    According to Kane's and Chaffin's research, mayfly nymphs, the immature stage of adult mayflies, can increase the amount of phosphorus in the water column to 26 times the average amount. The nymphs burrow into the sediment at the bottom of Lake Erie, causing the release of phosphorus, which stimulates algae growth and is an important factor in determining water quality.
    Kane and Chaffin collected mayfly nymphs and sediment samples from the Lake's western basin.After taking temperature, dissolved oxygen, water clarity, and phosphorus concentrations measurements, they found that the containers holding mayfly nymphs had total phosphorus concentrations two to three times greater than containers without nymphs.
    Although this research found that mayfly nymphs are increasing phosphorus concentrations in Lake Erie, additional research is needed to discover the role mayflies may play in algal blooms and the dead zone.

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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    It seems to me that the mayflies may have something to do with it too. This summer there was a particularly heavy mayfly invasion in the area. They had to use snowplows to clear mayflies off the streets in Point Place. And as I recall, the doppler weather radar on a local news channel showed them concentrated in the same area where the worst algal blooms in Maumee bay are now. And unfortunately that is right where the water intake crib is located.

    Stone Lab Research Finds Mayflies to be Possible Source of Phosphorus Loading
    And it isn't even May. Damn.

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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    In Erie's case, it was an algae bloom. Algae produces toxins. We've had multiple blooms here in some Texas lakes that have made then useless for recreational purposes.

    I have to wonder if this is not somewhat responsible?

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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The treated water isn't the big problem. The big problem are the 70,000 farmers along the shores of Lake Erie. Farm runoff is the primary source of the phosphates that the algae thrives on. A very wet spring and summer with lots of heavy rain and lots of runoff pretty much guaranteed a big algae bloom this year. 2011 was bad, too, because it was a very wet spring/summer. Farming pratices are going to change or Lake Erie is going to be in big trouble.
    Doubtful it's the shores but the farms that drain into the streams and rivers that feed into Lake Erie all the way back to Indiana. Your post is essentially correct though.

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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    It seems to me that the mayflies may have something to do with it too. This summer there was a particularly heavy mayfly invasion in the area. They had to use snowplows to clear mayflies off the streets in Point Place. And as I recall, the doppler weather radar on a local news channel showed them concentrated in the same area where the worst algal blooms in Maumee bay are now. And unfortunately that is right where the water intake crib is located.

    Stone Lab Research Finds Mayflies to be Possible Source of Phosphorus Loading
    The phosphorus still has to come from somewhere originally and mayflies don't magically produce it.

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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Well it's the most fertile land in Ohio (being ex-swamp land) so it's a bit easier said then done. Especially when that area relies on farming related industry more and more.
    We can cut down on erosion from farms that leech in the phosphorus by increasing buffer strips. In my state the rivers that feed into the Maumee are chocolate brown after a heavy rain. You rarely see this when you cross the line into Michigan that takes the issue more seriously and the farm lobby is much weaker.

    A couple of years ago I attended a public meeting to stop the dredging if a local river. The farmers in the area wanted the river straightened out to move water out as fast as possible. This would not fly in Michigan.

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    Re: Ohio's 4th largest city has no drinking water

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    "TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) — Long lines formed at water distribution centers and store shelves were quickly emptied of bottled water after Ohio's fourth-largest city told residents not to drink from its water supply that was fouled by toxins possibly from algae on Lake Erie.

    The warning effectively cut off the water supply to 400,000 people in Toledo, most of its suburbs and a few areas in southeastern Michigan.

    Worried residents told not to drink, brush their teeth or wash dishes with the water emptied store shelves and waited hours for deliveries of bottled water from across Ohio as the governor declared a state of emergency".
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    This is causing other Great Lake states to start retesting their water.
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    Your statement is quite off, at least for Ohio's water systems. The intakes are tested once per hour for contamination/toxicity levels.

    The western basin algae blooms were worse in the past two years, so its probably going to come down to someone not doing their job.
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