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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no. oversimplification.



    no. oversimplification.



    while the government has some responsibility for perpetuating the problem, the immigrants are coming here for the opportunity to work in the private sector, for the most part.

    so, once again, no. oversimplification.
    Those kids aren't coming here looking for work. A significant portion of the adults will be living, partially at least, off the goavernment dole. It's naive to believe that all of the adult illegal aliens are coming here to get a job and pay taxes.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So unlike ACA, which you condemn for being partisan, you will argue that partisan bills should be passed (if they come from republicans)?
    I don't want thos bill to be passed. It'll be $694 billion down the toilet.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those kids aren't coming here looking for work. A significant portion of the adults will be living, partially at least, off the goavernment dole. It's naive to believe that all of the adult illegal aliens are coming here to get a job and pay taxes.
    they're coming here to look for opportunity. the fact that they are willing to take a horrifyingly awful trip from Central America through Mexico speaks volumes about the conditions that they are trying to escape. we have entire sectors of the economy which largely run off of their labor.

    you honestly believe that they are making that trip just to suck up government benefits? man.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think it's because you see the government as the answer to all the country's problems. The reality is that in this day and age, government is the source of most of our problems. The illegal alien problem is just one government created problem.
    The government is not the answer to all of our problems, but is it too much to expect that they be the answer to some of the problems? How about starting with the problems that the government itself has created?
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No, no way. I argue they should be brought to the senate floor, debated, changes made, let the Democrats add, delete and amend. I argue that since the senate has that power they should use it to craft whatever bill that comes from the House to meet their specs. Then it can be returned to the house for their action. Tabling of all bills from the house is just as bad as filibustering everything the Democrats proposed. both suck big time.
    Practically speaking, what's the difference between tabling the house bill and writing one of their own (and then sending it to the house) vs. amending the House bill completely?

    Essentially, there's no difference. You're complaining about some technical procedure that, in the end doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Even worse, the american people do not support a bill that's anything like the House bill. I remember that one of your complaints about the ACA was that it wasn't supported by a majority of americans. Neither is this House bill.

    Since I know you like polls, here's some about immigration. Immigration

    Note how a large % of americans do not support simply deporting these children, which is what the House bill does (and not much more, if anything)

    So why should the Senate entertain a bill that the American people have rejected?


    All I am saying is Senator Reid ought to use the power he has. Denying the house a voice in legislation is completely wrong. Especially as I stated Reid has the power to delete all poison pills, add anything he wants and change each and every bill that comes from the house to reflect the senate desires.
    Reid is using the power he has. There is nothing wrong with tabling legislation, particularly when it's legislation that is partisan and has been rejected by the American people.

    As for the ACA, it is not the debating or voting that has me peeved. It is the senators who told the people who elected them to represent them, the people who put them in Washington in the first to shove it where the sun don't shine. I believe senators should represent the people of their state first, not their party. The same thing in the house, representatives should represent the people in their district first, not their party. This is not that hard to understand.
    Then why do you complain when Reid does exactly what you just said? By tabling this bill, in essence killing it, he is representing the people of the US and not the House Republicans who, with this bill, have told the American people to take their opinions and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    So how exactly would $694 million bill help USA protect its borders?
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    So how exactly would $694 million bill help USA protect its borders?
    I'm not sure.

    Let's get the Congress to give me $694 million, and see if I can protect the borders with it.

    If I can't then obviously I'll need more money.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    how was it not serious?

    i provided money for NG support on the border to have BP control the flood.
    it provided money to speed up the deportation process
    it scaled back the 2008 bill to help speed up that process as well.

    it did however limit obama in granting amnesty which is what he is attempting to do now.
    as well as unconsitutionally change our immigration laws through executive fiat which he is not allowed to do.
    It wasn't serious as everyone knew it had zero chance of passing the other chamber or being signed into law. If it was serious, the Senate would not have left town. It wasn't even a basis of reconciliation or negotiation. Negotiation 101: if you can't put an offer on the table that can not be the basis of a deal, its not serious offer.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure.

    Let's get the Congress to give me $694 million, and see if I can protect the borders with it.

    If I can't then obviously I'll need more money.
    You probably will need more money cause it is a big border.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    blame it on reid and obama. they refuse to pass or even allow any house bill to come to the floor to be voted on.
    The Senate passed an immigration bill a long time ago - over a year ago in fact. It passed 68-32, so over two thirds of U.S. Senators including many republicans voted in favor of it. How many times has that bill come up for a vote in the House in over a year? Zero would be the number.

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