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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by leoborn View Post
    While the Democrat-majority Senate left on schedule to begin their 5-week break without passing their bill on the border problem, the Republican-majority House delayed their departure and passed a $694 million dollar border bill. Now Obama is saying NO to the house bill, and vows to go it alone because "congress can't get their act together," and is blaming the Republicans for "inaction." He further said that even if the Senate did pass it, he wouldn't sign it. Can someone explain to me again how that works?
    Sure.

    First, you have to understand that no one in Washington is actually serous about ending illegal immigration or solving any border problems we might have. The goal is to make the other guy look as bad as possible.

    So, the Republican majority house decided to pass a bill that they knew would never see the light of day but would serve to lend credence to the absurd notion that Republicans were all for a solution, but Democrats were simply holding out for amnesty and open borders. Obama took the bait and stated that this bill, which was never a serious attempt to do anything but make the president look bad, wouldn't be approved. Score one for the Republicans.

    Meantime, the Democrat led Senate just said, "To heck with this (bleep!) and went home, letting the Republicans have their little victory, and knowing that they would be back after the election to fling more crap back at the Republicans.

    Obama wants to focus attention on the fact that the Congress is dysfunctional and run by hyper partisan idiots, so he is threatening to "go it alone", which is, of course, unconstitutional. There is little he can do to "go it alone", and any attempt at doing so will bring charges from the Republicans that he is a dictator bent on taking power, probably planning to run again in '16 and counting on the vote of the illegal aliens, which of course, is absurd.

    But then, the whole thing is absurd.

    Meanwhile, we're assured by no less that former presidential candidate Michelle Bachann, not to be confused with that other Michelle who is only concerned with indoctrinating children to the idea that eating junk food is a bad idea, that the illegals are about to become subjects of medical experimentation. That is, of course, just as absurd as all of the rest of it, but it plays well with the lunatic fringe.

    So, Washington is now vacant, all of the flingers of crap now having gone back to their gerrymandered districts to sing songs of silliness to the voters there and attempt to get back to Washington once again to do nothing.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So unlike ACA, which you condemn for being partisan, you will argue that partisan bills should be passed (if they come from republicans)?
    Obamacare was given a chance in the senate, this bill, like everything the republicans put forth won't see the senate floor. That's a huge difference.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And if we did try to speed up the deportations it would violate due process.

    Or is that a small sacrifice?
    Actually no. The trafficking bill is what they are using to set due process.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sure.

    First, you have to understand that no one in Washington is actually serous about ending illegal immigration or solving any border problems we might have. The goal is to make the other guy look as bad as possible.

    So, the Republican majority house decided to pass a bill that they knew would never see the light of day but would serve to lend credence to the absurd notion that Republicans were all for a solution, but Democrats were simply holding out for amnesty and open borders. Obama took the bait and stated that this bill, which was never a serious attempt to do anything but make the president look bad, wouldn't be approved. Score one for the Republicans.

    Meantime, the Democrat led Senate just said, "To heck with this (bleep!) and went home, letting the Republicans have their little victory, and knowing that they would be back after the election to fling more crap back at the Republicans.

    Obama wants to focus attention on the fact that the Congress is dysfunctional and run by hyper partisan idiots, so he is threatening to "go it alone", which is, of course, unconstitutional. There is little he can do to "go it alone", and any attempt at doing so will bring charges from the Republicans that he is a dictator bent on taking power, probably planning to run again in '16 and counting on the vote of the illegal aliens, which of course, is absurd.

    But then, the whole thing is absurd.

    Meanwhile, we're assured by no less that former presidential candidate Michelle Bachann, not to be confused with that other Michelle who is only concerned with indoctrinating children to the idea that eating junk food is a bad idea, that the illegals are about to become subjects of medical experimentation. That is, of course, just as absurd as all of the rest of it, but it plays well with the lunatic fringe.

    So, Washington is now vacant, all of the flingers of crap now having gone back to their gerrymandered districts to sing songs of silliness to the voters there and attempt to get back to Washington once again to do nothing.
    Finally, an explanation that makes sense! Thanks!

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    our hyperpartisan duopoly system is not working. it's mostly about scoring points, and actual governance plays only a minimal role for the most part.
    Our government working perfect. A two party system, that is hyper-partisan is the only way to go.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So unlike ACA, which you condemn for being partisan, you will argue that partisan bills should be passed (if they come from republicans)?
    No, no way. I argue they should be brought to the senate floor, debated, changes made, let the Democrats add, delete and amend. I argue that since the senate has that power they should use it to craft whatever bill that comes from the House to meet their specs. Then it can be returned to the house for their action. Tabling of all bills from the house is just as bad as filibustering everything the Democrats proposed. both suck big time.

    All I am saying is Senator Reid ought to use the power he has. Denying the house a voice in legislation is completely wrong. Especially as I stated Reid has the power to delete all poison pills, add anything he wants and change each and every bill that comes from the house to reflect the senate desires.

    As for the ACA, it is not the debating or voting that has me peeved. It is the senators who told the people who elected them to represent them, the people who put them in Washington in the first to shove it where the sun don't shine. I believe senators should represent the people of their state first, not their party. The same thing in the house, representatives should represent the people in their district first, not their party. This is not that hard to understand.

    Senators like Feinstien, boxer, Nelson, Hirono, durbin, Harkin, Mikulski, Levin, Stabenow, Schumer, Gillibrand, Sanders etc. I expected them to vote for the the ACA, the people of their states wanted the ACA to pass. But Senators like Lincoln, Hagan, Landrieu, Nelson of Nebraska, McClaskill, Tester, Pryor and the like to represent their state and vote the wishes of the people of their state especially when around 60% or more were telling them to vote no. The ACA was a prime example of party over the wishes of the people.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It would be more productive if you posted the actual text of the bills so we can see what is inside the bills?
    I do not think there is a need to post well over 200 bills. It should be enough to have the senate debate, then change, add, delete and amend according to the senates wishes. The senate is not doing their job.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Our government working perfect. A two party system, that is hyper-partisan is the only way to go.
    to say that i disagree would be the understatement of the year.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    to say that i disagree would be the understatement of the year.
    I think it's because you see the government as the answer to all the country's problems. The reality is that in this day and age, government is the source of most of our problems. The illegal alien problem is just one government created problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think it's because you see the government as the answer to all the country's problems.
    no. oversimplification.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The reality is that in this day and age, government is the source of most of our problems.
    no. oversimplification.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The illegal alien problem is just one government created problem.
    while the government has some responsibility for perpetuating the problem, the immigrants are coming here for the opportunity to work in the private sector, for the most part.

    so, once again, no. oversimplification.

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