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House passes $694 million border bill

It wasn't serious as everyone knew it had zero chance of passing the other chamber or being signed into law. If it was serious, the Senate would not have left town. It wasn't even a basis of reconciliation or negotiation. Negotiation 101: if you can't put an offer on the table that can not be the basis of a deal, its not serious offer.

yes it was a serious offer. Reid has no intention nor does obama of passing anything short of giving these people amnesty and that isn't going to happen. so evidently they are not serious in passing any meaningful legislation.

the house bill had everything in it that was needed.

if reid was serious about the issue he would conviene a emergancy session of the senate and vote on the bill or put the bill up for debate with amendments.
 
I don't want thos bill to be passed. It'll be $694 billion down the toilet.
Or more likely large portions of it will pass into the hands of businesses owned by democrats who will launder the legitimate taxpayer dollars and give it back to Obama and his fellow travelers to be used as walking around money in the next election cycle.
 
they're coming here to look for opportunity. the fact that they are willing to take a horrifyingly awful trip from Central America through Mexico speaks volumes about the conditions that they are trying to escape. we have entire sectors of the economy which largely run off of their labor.

you honestly believe that they are making that trip just to suck up government benefits? man.
Let us begin with the word you are missing. Illegal. They have entered the country illegally. We can eliminate the comforts of the welfare state and we will have Americans working again instead of plundering their neighbors.

Throw them out and declare the state who helped them arrive at our borders as hostile nations.
 
Let us begin with the word you are missing. Illegal. They have entered the country illegally. We can eliminate the comforts of the welfare state and we will have Americans working again instead of plundering their neighbors.

Throw them out and declare the state who helped them arrive at our borders as hostile nations.

I don't think it is illegal to apply for humanitarian asylum in the USA.....yet
 
I don't think it is illegal to apply for humanitarian asylum in the USA.....yet

Nope, only if you cross the border illegally first and then ask for it as an excuse to stay. And once again, the humanitarian asylum thing is bogus in this case. They are gaming the system.
 
The only money that needs to be thrown at our Southern Border problem (border in general) is supporting the National Guard as they militarize the border.

The NG doesn't do squat and is not authorized to. The sending of NG troops to the order by Perry was just political posturing.
 
Our government working perfect. A two party system, that is hyper-partisan is the only way to go.

Yep not serving the people or getting anything done due hyper partisanship is the way to go. I don't know what your smoking but I want some.
 
Nope, only if you cross the border illegally first and then ask for it as an excuse to stay. And once again, the humanitarian asylum thing is bogus in this case. They are gaming the system.

Americans once did the same thing in Canada and were allowed to stay.
 
The NG doesn't do squat and is not authorized to. The sending of NG troops to the order by Perry was just political posturing.

The National Guard has fought in Wars & rescues people in environmental or humanitarian crises all the time in the U.S. Show some respect, please.
 
I don't think it is illegal to apply for humanitarian asylum in the USA.....yet
Fraud in the inducement has always been illegal.

Throw them out. All of them. Begin by actually securing the border. Then let's depart every single illegal that is already here. We can still catch and release as long as the release occurs in another country.
 
Nope, only if you cross the border illegally first and then ask for it as an excuse to stay. And once again, the humanitarian asylum thing is bogus in this case. They are gaming the system.

Wrong. US law recognizes that refugees have the right to enter the country to seek asylum.
 
Yep not serving the people or getting anything done due hyper partisanship is the way to go. I don't know what your smoking but I want some.

What isn't getting done?
 
Let us begin with the word you are missing. Illegal. They have entered the country illegally. We can eliminate the comforts of the welfare state and we will have Americans working again instead of plundering their neighbors.

Throw them out and declare the state who helped them arrive at our borders as hostile nations.

i'm not interested in how you feel about the immigrants.

if Republicans were as pissed off as they claim to be about the immigration problem, here's what they'd do :

1. every job from dishwasher to CEO goes through everify.

2. businesses found with undocumented workers are fined $10,000 per worker per day, even if it's a subcontractor, and even if they claim they didn't know.

this draconian plan would remove the draw overnight. however, it would shut down big ag, and food prices would skyrocket.

the fact remains that the draw is the private sector, not the public sector.

the solution i prefer is amnesty, everify, and an immigration system that is more Ellis Island than wait ten years in line. it will do the economy a lot of good to bring this part of the labor market out of the shadows, and deporting all of them is something that i'll never support.

i understand that we'll never agree on this. however, you must admit that the draw is the private sector, which wants cheap labor. you can rage against the government all you want, but the private sector is hiring them, and is the reason that they are coming here.

also, we should do something to help central America develop. i'm not sure exactly what that looks like, but it is a piece of the puzzle, and we should be brainstorming it.
 
Yep not serving the people or getting anything done due hyper partisanship is the way to go. I don't know what your smoking but I want some.
When you claim hyper-partisanship I am sure you mean the evil democrats not caving to reasonable Republican requests.
 
i'm not interested in how you feel about the immigrants.
Therefore what?

if Republicans were as pissed off as they claim to be about the immigration problem, here's what they'd do :

1. every job from dishwasher to CEO goes through everify.

2. businesses found with undocumented workers are fined $10,000 per worker per day, even if it's a subcontractor, and even if they claim they didn't know.

this draconian plan would remove the draw overnight. however, it would shut down big ag, and food prices would skyrocket.

the fact remains that the draw is the private sector, not the public sector.

the solution i prefer is amnesty, everify, and an immigration system that is more Ellis Island than wait ten years in line. it will do the economy a lot of good to bring this part of the labor market out of the shadows, and deporting all of them is something that i'll never support.

i understand that we'll never agree on this. however, you must admit that the draw is the private sector, which wants cheap labor. you can rage against the government all you want, but the private sector is hiring them, and is the reason that they are coming here.

also, we should do something to help central America develop. i'm not sure exactly what that looks like, but it is a piece of the puzzle, and we should be brainstorming it.
Establishment Republicans are looking for some underhanded way to achieve amnesty without their base understanding the establishment Republicans have deceived them.

The draw is the welfare state and the mistaken belief that this remains a land of opportunity. Do you want open borders? If so then completely eliminate the welfare state.

I know you prefer amnesty. I will never understand why Americans ( I assume you are one) want to be willing accomplices in changing the electorate. Perhaps you believe you will be a Mastermind in the new utopian one-party, democratic rule of the failing, balkanized, nation.
 
When you claim hyper-partisanship I am sure you mean the evil democrats not caving to reasonable Republican requests.

Is that a serious response? Can't be..... So good one!! :lamo
 
"When you claim hyper-partisanship I am sure you mean the evil democrats not caving to reasonable Republican requests."
Is that a serious response? Can't be..... So good one!! :lamo
It was tongue-in-cheek. Thank you.
 
Highway bill,
border security,
a balanced budget,
economy,
energy,
at least for now, that's enough.

Not that any of it is likely to ever get accomplished.

Here is a discussion of issues currently facing Congress.

Everywhere I go, there's a construction job.

The current regime isn't going secure the border.

You'll have to talk to the Democrats about the budget. Even when they controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress, they didn't balance the budget.

The government isn't going to fix the economy, unless they get out of the private sector's way.

What's the governmemt going to about energy? Besides piss more money away on green energy subsidies, I mean.

Looks like that's not nearly enough.
 
Everywhere I go, there's a construction job.

filled by illegal aliens.

The current regime isn't going secure the border.

Correct. And neither did the last, or the one before that, or the one before that......

You'll have to talk to the Democrats about the budget. Even when they controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress, they didn't balance the budget.

Correct, and of course the Republicans have done oh, so much better in that regard.

The government isn't going to fix the economy, unless they get out of the private sector's way.

and pigs will fly, Hell will freeze, and San Francisco will go Republican before that happens.
What's the governmemt going to about energy? Besides piss more money away on green energy subsidies, I mean.

I dunno... didn't I hear a lot of griping about a pipeline or something? Keystone, I think.

Looks like that's not nearly enough.

There's more?
 
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