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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    how was it not serious?

    i provided money for NG support on the border to have BP control the flood.
    it provided money to speed up the deportation process
    it scaled back the 2008 bill to help speed up that process as well.

    it did however limit obama in granting amnesty which is what he is attempting to do now.
    as well as unconsitutionally change our immigration laws through executive fiat which he is not allowed to do.
    And if we did try to speed up the deportations it would violate due process.

    Or is that a small sacrifice?
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It can't there are over 200 house passed bills sitting in Harry Reid's top right hand drawer. 30 of them were sponsored and introduced by Democrats in the house. The senate has the power to add, delete, amend, change any house passed bill which is their job. But not Harry Reid's. The bottleneck, the obstruction to good government rest directly on Harry Reid's shoulder.

    Here are a couple of links

    Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/us...=66488257&_r=0
    It would be more productive if you posted the actual text of the bills so we can see what is inside the bills?
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    The only money that needs to be thrown at our Southern Border problem (border in general) is supporting the National Guard as they militarize the border.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that isn't the houses fault. reid sets the schedule in the senate. if reid wanted to he could deem and emergancy vote in the senate to take up the bill and vote on it.

    yet he won't so he must not be that serious.

    yep i will blame those two morons. they couldn't govern their way out of a wet paper bag. they have no business being in charge of anything let alone this country.
    If by the "two morons" you mean the Republican Party and the Democrat Party, I totally agree.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But the bill hasn't gone to the president and never will. It's simply another bit of political gamesmanship.
    Like crying on TV about the Republicans not passing a bill to help the current immigration problem and then complaining when they do? Or passing laws in the Senate that without any input or amendments from Republicans that Reid and Obama know could never pass the House and then calling the Republicans names? Or the Democrat leader of the Senate tabling over 350 bills passed by the House because he doesn't want to even have a debate on the Senate floor, and yet saying the Republicans in the House have failed to pass one jobs bill, or any other type of bill?

    Political gamesmanship is a charge that can be levied against them all, and this case, less for the Republicans than the Democrats because they made the charge right before the recess and then when they saw the House was going to vote on a bill they ran like hell from DC so they didn't have to even act like they were going to negotiate and try to do anything themselves. Yet, the media eats up the "We should blame the Republicans" no matter what the truth actually is.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

    The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?
    When Obama said he wanted a border bill he meant one with amnesty and hollow promises of enforcement. Basically he wanted Reagan Amnesty II.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Like crying on TV about the Republicans not passing a bill to help the current immigration problem and then complaining when they do? Or passing laws in the Senate that without any input or amendments from Republicans that Reid and Obama know could never pass the House and then calling the Republicans names? Or the Democrat leader of the Senate tabling over 350 bills passed by the House because he doesn't want to even have a debate on the Senate floor, and yet saying the Republicans in the House have failed to pass one jobs bill, or any other type of bill?

    Political gamesmanship is a charge that can be levied against them all, and this case, less for the Republicans than the Democrats because they made the charge right before the recess and then when they saw the House was going to vote on a bill they ran like hell from DC so they didn't have to even act like they were going to negotiate and try to do anything themselves. Yet, the media eats up the "We should blame the Republicans" no matter what the truth actually is.
    Yes, things like that. Political gamesmanship and hyper partisanship happens in both parties.

    Saying that partisanship is bad, but your party is worse than mine is absurd.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And if we did try to speed up the deportations it would violate due process.

    Or is that a small sacrifice?
    what due process? they are here illegally that is automatic deporation. CBP should have the right and they do have the right to deny anyone access into the US and they do so on a regular basis at airports.

    so they should have the same right in this instance.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, things like that. Political gamesmanship and hyper partisanship happens in both parties.

    Saying that partisanship is bad, but your party is worse than mine is absurd.
    I would never say that one is worse than the other. However, which party is currently on the down side of the sliding scale is dependent upon the subject and the timing. Right now, on the immigration crisis on the boarder, the Democrats are on the down side, due to the fact that they are the ones that caused the problem by telling kids from other countries that if they are here they can be a Dream Kid under the President's Executive Order to refuse to deport them, and... they are the ones that are in power while all this is going on.

    To say that the Republicans are any better on most issues would be disingenuous on my part, to say the Democrats are any better on most issues would be disingenuous on your part, but on this one, the Democrats are the ones toting the manure bags that they filled themselves.

    Just saying. On many issues you and I agree. On this one, not so much, but still close.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

    The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?
    While the Democrat-majority Senate left on schedule to begin their 5-week break without passing their bill on the border problem, the Republican-majority House delayed their departure and passed a $694 million dollar border bill. Now Obama is saying NO to the house bill, and vows to go it alone because "congress can't get their act together," and is blaming the Republicans for "inaction." He further said that even if the Senate did pass it, he wouldn't sign it. Can someone explain to me again how that works?

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