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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Stop playing with the semantics. No one is talking about immigrants here. We're talking about illegal aliens, who are indeed invaders. The only fix is to disenfranchise totally all those here illegally.
    I don't agree.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If a President were announce his intention to use an EO to declare that all left-handed, green-eyed males are required to sit on the left side of the bus, would you still wonder about the ensuing uproar?


    I question the sudden "uproar" from the Right because they never seem to have a problem with such pronouncements when they come from a Republican President. And again, it's not the first time this or any U.S. President has threatened to exercise his veto power if a bill came across his desk he didn't like. Folks should stop acting as if this has only happened with this President.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

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    I question the sudden "uproar" from the Right because they never seem to have a problem with such pronouncements when they come from a Republican President.

    And again, it's not the first time this or any U.S. President has threatened to exercise his veto power if a bill came across his desk he didn't like. Folks should stop acting as if this has only happened with this President.
    I apologize for talking about EO's. I was in error in bringing that up.

    I have no problem with a President threatening to exercise his veto power. The veto is a power granted to him by the Constitution. But, as far as I know, there isn't any uproar over him threatening to use this power...at least, on a national political level.

    In regard to your conversation with Ockham, which I jumped into, my take is that threatening to veto legislation can be a two-edged sword but that Obama is pretty safe in wielding it because he has Reid in the Senate to run interference for him. But...if the Senate falls into the Republican's hands, Obama may find his threatened vetoes could turn around on him. In such a situation, I think we'll see less of these threats and more cooperation from him with the Republicans.

    But his base won't like that at all.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I apologize for talking about EO's. I was in error in bringing that up.

    I have no problem with a President threatening to exercise his veto power. The veto is a power granted to him by the Constitution. But, as far as I know, there isn't any uproar over him threatening to use this power...at least, on a national political level.

    In regard to your conversation with Ockham, which I jumped into, my take is that threatening to veto legislation can be a two-edged sword but that Obama is pretty safe in wielding it because he has Reid in the Senate to run interference for him. But...if the Senate falls into the Republican's hands, Obama may find his threatened vetoes could turn around on him. In such a situation, I think we'll see less of these threats and more cooperation from him with the Republicans.

    But his base won't like that at all.
    If Republicans take the Senate and hold onto the House, the President would have not choice but to carry threw with his veto threat(s). Republicans, of course, would try to paint the President as failing to do "the will of the people" or even pair their arguments down to specific segments of the population, i.e., the poor, the elderly, etc., as they've done in the past. But because ALL Presidents have the power of the bully pulpit, he can change the perspective of the national landscape at a much faster, much broader pace than individual power players from within the GOP. (Of course, the same would occur if the situations were reversed, i.e., Democratic Congress, Republican President).

    What can I say; it's politics.

    Sidenote: Apology accepted.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If Republicans take the Senate and hold onto the House, the President would have not choice but to carry threw with his veto threat(s). Republicans, of course, would try to paint the President as failing to do "the will of the people" or even pair their arguments down to specific segments of the population, i.e., the poor, the elderly, etc., as they've done in the past. But because ALL Presidents have the power of the bully pulpit, he can change the perspective of the national landscape at a much faster, much broader pace than individual power players from within the GOP. (Of course, the same would occur if the situations were reversed, i.e., Democratic Congress, Republican President).

    What can I say; it's politics.

    Sidenote: Apology accepted.
    The problem Obama would have in going through with his vetoes is that...well...there would be a reason the Republicans take the Senate. Namely, that the people wanted them to. He wouldn't be hurting himself. He's a lame duck. But he WOULD be hurting his Party. Big time.

    In any case, I don't think Obama has the balls to take that kind of responsibility upon himself without cover...like he has now.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    My clarifying your misuse of the English language does not in any manner display a hatred of the US, on the contrary, your Nativist ideology does in fact cause you to spew hatred upon the very action that caused your ancestors to be here.....immigration. This hypocrisy at the base of Nativism never seems to be realized by them...you included.
    I have correctly used language. I do not bow down to the politically correct leftists who have so damaged the country.

    Immigration is not invasion. One is legal and is done for the good of the current citizens. The second, invasion, is not legal and is done for the good of the illegal alien invaders.

    I believe you hate your neighbors and want them replaced.

    You still have trouble getting things right, don't you? This is not about immigrants. It is about the citizens being overrun by invaders. The statists in both parties support it. This nation belongs to the citizens. It does not belong to the invaders. Nor does it belong to the statists.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Sure, Central Americans were never referred to as such, nor are South Americans. Of course....gawd.....or someone else of his/her stature declared at some point that "American" is the exclusive reference for US citizens!

    Oh the hubris, the self-importance, the egotism, the pomposity, the superciliousness, the superiority......
    We know what you call them. What do they call themselves? Did the Aztecs refer to themselves as native Americans?

    Why do you care? I am a native American. You are something else.

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