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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    blame it on reid and obama. they refuse to pass or even allow any house bill to come to the floor to be voted on.
    thanks for illustrating my point. everything is always the other team's fault.

    some part of you does realize that it's not quite that monochromatic, right?

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

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    House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

    The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?
    Thing is, it WOULD make his desk and he WOULD sign it if it were something closer to what had been proposed in the Senate, which had included a few billion not just for border security, but also for courts, for humane detention facilities, and for other infrastructure needed for the influx of these illegal immigrants (which are IMO refugees). The House bill pretty much only includes funding for increased border security and that's it...meaning that the women and children would still be forced to remain in inhumane conditions.

    This is America - we're the richest nation on the planet, we're supposed to be exceptional, the shining city on the hill, but when women and children are coming to us fleeing violence and human trafficking, we can't even keep them in humane conditions before we fly them back? Something's wrong with that picture.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    thanks for illustrating my point. everything is always the other team's fault.

    some part of you does realize that it's not quite that monochromatic, right?
    not when it is the truth. almost every bill that has come out of the house reid has tabled.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    not when it is the truth. almost every bill that has come out of the house reid has tabled.
    well, go team, then.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

    The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?
    Let me help you with reality.... Congress did not pass a border bill. They passed nonsense (and looked foolish even trying to that, because the first proposed nonsense was not nonsensical enough for some people.)

    It was not a serious attempt at governance, just as the 50+ times they voted to appeal the PPACA was serious goverance. Frankly, its just a joke it should not even have made the newspaper, unless you post dead bills in the obituaries. This is not a serious congress; this is not worthy of serious discussion.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

    The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?
    It can't there are over 200 house passed bills sitting in Harry Reid's top right hand drawer. 30 of them were sponsored and introduced by Democrats in the house. The senate has the power to add, delete, amend, change any house passed bill which is their job. But not Harry Reid's. The bottleneck, the obstruction to good government rest directly on Harry Reid's shoulder.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they are the ones that won't pass any bill unless they agree with it. harry reid has tabled over 300 bills from the house alone. IE won't even put them up for debate.
    so yes they are to blame.

    the house passed a bill it is up to the senate to take that bill and debate it. add or take away then send it back to the house.
    Right, and passing a bill just as Congress goes into recess and goes home to raise funds and campaign for yet another term in office, knowing that it will not even be considered at least until after Congress resumes, is just political posturing pure and simple.

    And, it works. It casts the blame on the Democrats, so the Democrats have to leap and hoot and find ways to blame the Republicans, who then fling crap back at the Democrats, and meanwhile we get nothing to solve the border issues (yes, plural), the highway issue, Russia and its sabre rattling, the VA, the budget, or anything else.

    So, sure, blame Obama and Reid. They're as much to blame as anyone else in Washington for the mess we're currently in. Soon, Obama will be out, and someone will take his place. Maybe Reid will be out as well, who knows? But the problems will continue.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Let me help you with reality.... Congress did not pass a border bill. They passed nonsense (and looked foolish even trying to that, because the first proposed nonsense was not nonsensical enough for some people.)

    It was not a serious attempt at governance, just as the 50+ times they voted to appeal the PPACA was serious goverance. Frankly, its just a joke it should not even have made the newspaper, unless you post dead bills in the obituaries. This is not a serious congress; this is not worthy of serious discussion.
    how was it not serious?

    i provided money for NG support on the border to have BP control the flood.
    it provided money to speed up the deportation process
    it scaled back the 2008 bill to help speed up that process as well.

    it did however limit obama in granting amnesty which is what he is attempting to do now.
    as well as unconsitutionally change our immigration laws through executive fiat which he is not allowed to do.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Right, and passing a bill just as Congress goes into recess and goes home to raise funds and campaign for yet another term in office, knowing that it will not even be considered at least until after Congress resumes, is just political posturing pure and simple.

    And, it works. It casts the blame on the Democrats, so the Democrats have to leap and hoot and find ways to blame the Republicans, who then fling crap back at the Democrats, and meanwhile we get nothing to solve the border issues (yes, plural), the highway issue, Russia and its sabre rattling, the VA, the budget, or anything else.

    So, sure, blame Obama and Reid. They're as much to blame as anyone else in Washington for the mess we're currently in. Soon, Obama will be out, and someone will take his place. Maybe Reid will be out as well, who knows? But the problems will continue.
    that isn't the houses fault. reid sets the schedule in the senate. if reid wanted to he could deem and emergancy vote in the senate to take up the bill and vote on it.

    yet he won't so he must not be that serious.

    yep i will blame those two morons. they couldn't govern their way out of a wet paper bag. they have no business being in charge of anything let alone this country.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It can't there are over 200 house passed bills sitting in Harry Reid's top right hand drawer. 30 of them were sponsored and introduced by Democrats in the house. The senate has the power to add, delete, amend, change any house passed bill which is their job. But not Harry Reid's. The bottleneck, the obstruction to good government rest directly on Harry Reid's shoulder.

    Here are a couple of links

    Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/us...=66488257&_r=0
    So unlike ACA, which you condemn for being partisan, you will argue that partisan bills should be passed (if they come from republicans)?
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