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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Someone post a list of politicians whose next door neighbors are illegal immigrants.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The "kickback" was not a "bribe" and I'm pretty sure they were removed before the final vote. And parties being loyal to those who are loyal to them is SOP, and would occur in a Reform Party if it were ever to get (and hope to keep) some measure of power.
    I'm not really interested in the conversation you are having with Perotista, but I felt impelled to comment on the above.

    First of all, being nitpicky about whether the kickback was a bribe or not is really kind of a dumb thing to do, in my opinion. Heck, I'd be more inclined to call Nelson's actions extortion...but that's just me.

    Second, in Nelson's case, I'm thinking he was being more loyal to himself than to anyone else...especially when you consider how he ended up after he left Congress.

    Thirdly, sangha, in Nelson's case you are partly right about the kickbacks being removed before the final vote.

    He voted for the law after securing increased Medicaid funding for his home state and the right of states to refuse abortion coverage in the state insurance exchanges.

    The so-called Medicaid “kickback” was initially included in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act but later removed in the final “reconciliation” version of the bill.

    'Cornhusker kickback' senator meets with Obama to talk Obamacare | The Daily Caller
    In his case, part of the kickback/bribe/extortion deal made it into the final law...part of it didn't. And he ultimately set himself up pretty well after it was all said and done.


    btw, sangha...please spare me your usual tendency to be nitpicky. The abortion thing was part of his deal, even though it wasn't an actual money "kickback".
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's amazing just how much political hay can be made by passing bills that have zero chance of ever becoming law. Now, let's get busy and overturn Obamacare once again while suing the president for delaying the implementation of parts of it. That's the ticket.
    An all too common practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm not really interested in the conversation you are having with Perotista, but I felt impelled to comment on the above.

    First of all, being nitpicky about whether the kickback was a bribe or not is really kind of a dumb thing to do, in my opinion. Heck, I'd be more inclined to call Nelson's actions extortion...but that's just me.

    Second, in Nelson's case, I'm thinking he was being more loyal to himself than to anyone else...especially when you consider how he ended up after he left Congress.

    Thirdly, sangha, in Nelson's case you are partly right about the kickbacks being removed before the final vote.



    In his case, part of the kickback/bribe/extortion deal made it into the final law...part of it didn't. And he ultimately set himself up pretty well after it was all said and done.


    btw, sangha...please spare me your usual tendency to be nitpicky. The abortion thing was part of his deal, even though it wasn't an actual money "kickback".
    Since he wasn't receiving a penny of the money it was neither a kickback nor a bribe. He was loyal to his constituents and fighting for their interests which is what a politician is supposed to do.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since he wasn't receiving a penny of the money it was neither a kickback nor a bribe. He was loyal to his constituents and fighting for their interests which is what a politician is supposed to do.
    Why am I not surprised that you just cannot resist being nitpicky?

    The money was part of the deal...until he gave that part of it up in order to get the other part that he wanted...the abortion thing. I suspect THAT's what got him his cushy job after he left the Senate. Shows where his loyalty actually was, doesn't it?
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Why am I not surprised that you just cannot resist being nitpicky?
    And I'm not surprised that your post was dishonest and hackish
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You know why that is?

    Because the senate will reject it because crazy greedy obamafool wants 2.1 billion and the psychos in the Senate will settle for nothing less tan what their master and dear leader wants, and even if the bill made it past the Senate Obama would never sign it.
    The Republicans don't want to pass it either. The only reason the House passed it is so they can rant about how it's all Obama and the Democrats' fault that we haven't put an end to illegal immigration. The party faithful lap it up like sheep at a salt lick.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "I want an immigration policy that benefits the citizens of the US. We need to essentially stop all immigration until we decide what we really want. This is my country. It is not their country."

    Do you have any idea what the current system is?

    What is ideal? Do you intend to change the electorate? How many millions of people should we allow to emigrate here each year? Why do you believe we should allow anyone to come here?
    I'd support a solution more like Ellis Island than the current system.

    Why should we let anyone in? Because that's how our country works, and it's part of what makes it a great country.

    Are you pure blooded native American?

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And I'm not surprised that your post was dishonest and hackish
    LOL!!

    Yeah...right.

    I call you nitpicky...and back it up with facts.

    You call me dishonest and hackish...and back it up with...nothing.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'd support a solution more like Ellis Island than the current system.
    What does that mean to you? We controlled immigration then. Today illegals invade and we wring our hands instead lof wringing their necks.

    Why should we let anyone in? Because that's how our country works, and it's part of what makes it a great country.
    You should have just said you have no idea and left it at that.

    Are you pure blooded native American?
    Of course. So is every other American citizen born here of American parents. Are you confused or something?

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