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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Militarizing the border is part of the long term solution.

    However, the current crisis is not due to an unsecured border. The people we have now aren't trying to sneak in, they're presenting themselves to border security. Because of the 2008 law, we're required to process OTM children to determine if they're eligible for refugee status. We even give them a lawyer.


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    It has been extremely successful in the past. Both in most countries and also in America.

    Back during WW ll when Mexican illegal aliens were illegally crossing the border to participate in the Bracero Program, soldiers from San Diego area, Marines from MCAS El Centro and soldiers from Fort Bliss and numerous of other military post and camps were sent to the border to stop illegal aliens from crossing the border. It became standard guard duty.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    As I said, both parties are at fault for the lack of border security. I don't remember Hillary stating that she was for open borders, or doing anything that would identify her as such. If she is, that would make me rethink my earlier statement. Do you have a link to proof of her either saying so, or acting in such a way to prove that she is?
    Clinton supported Eliot Spitzer's plan to grant drivers liscences to illegals as senator in New York, until he withdrew the plan on the basis of it being so unpopular.

    Speaking to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Albuquerque in 2001, George W. Bush declared that, as Mexico was a friend and neighbor, “It’s so important for us to tear down our barriers and walls that might separate Mexico from the United States.”
    Bush succeeded. And during his tenure, millions from Mexico exploited his magnanimity to violate our laws, trample upon our sovereignty, walk into our country and remain here.
    In 2007, supported by John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy and Barack Obama, Bush backed amnesty for the 12 million people who had entered America illegally.


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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    A $694 million dollar Bill?

    That's like Canada passing a $694.00 Bill.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Canada uses play money.


    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    A $694 million dollar Bill?

    That's like Canada passing a $694.00 Bill.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    "The draw is the welfare state and the mistaken belief that this remains a land of opportunity. Do you want open borders? If so then completely eliminate the welfare state."
    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you completely ignored the fact that the draw is employment in private industry, and that entire sectors of the economy rely on cheap, underground labor.

    no, i don't want completely open borders. i want an immigration system that works. the current system does not, and i think we should work to fix that.
    Imagine that. In the very same sentence I mentioned the two draws. Welfare and opportunity.

    I want the same thing you do. I want an immigration policy that benefits the citizens of the US. We need to essentially stop all immigration until we decide what we really want. This is my country. It is not their country.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "The draw is the welfare state and the mistaken belief that this remains a land of opportunity. Do you want open borders? If so then completely eliminate the welfare state."

    Imagine that. In the very same sentence I mentioned the two draws. Welfare and opportunity.

    I want the same thing you do. I want an immigration policy that benefits the citizens of the US. We need to essentially stop all immigration until we decide what we really want. This is my country. It is not their country.
    our ancestors were all immigrants, too, and had to deal with the same thing from the residents at the time. i just don't buy into the argument that the current immigrants are different than our own ancestors.

    i'm not advocating for open borders, but i don't think anyone would argue that the status quo system is either ideal or sustainable. i think we can improve it.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Militarizing the border is part of the long term solution.

    However, the current crisis is not due to an unsecured border. The people we have now aren't trying to sneak in, they're presenting themselves to border security. Because of the 2008 law, we're required to process OTM children to determine if they're eligible for refugee status. We even give them a lawyer.
    Where are the UN refuges camps in Central America ?

    These aren't refuges. When the Obama administration got caught treating the 2008 law as a breathing document, changing the intent of the law when at the bottom of the law it states that a minor has any family relatives residing in the USA, under the law they aren't Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) and the intent of the law is an anti sex trafficking law, the Obama administration is now calling the illegal aliens refuges.

    There is no age limits for refuge status.

    Obama has an agenda, to change the racial makeup of America because white Europeans are evil imperialist who are responsable for every thing that's wrong in the world. At least that's what Obama says.

    Obama is aiding, abetting and harbouring illegal aliens. That's a felony under federal statue.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    One, I am not an independent, I am a Reform Party Member. There is a big difference.
    There were bribes, Landrieu changed for vote for the Louisiana Purchase and Ben nelson for the Nebraska corn husker kickback. Numerous Senators and Representative were threaten by DNCC that they would either with hold campaign funds if they didn't vote the party line and these are just a couple.
    The "kickback" was not a "bribe" and I'm pretty sure they were removed before the final vote. And parties being loyal to those who are loyal to them is SOP, and would occur in a Reform Party if it were ever to get (and hope to keep) some measure of power.

    I will stand by the fact a bill that originates in the house should be debated and voted on in the senate. A bill that originates in the senate should be debated and voted on in the house. Only those very partisan would see nothing wrong with tabling. Boehner has done basically the same thing in the House on a couple of senate bills, he applies what is known a Hastert rule. It is just a despicable. But Boehner has done perhaps 10-15 times, not over 200. Each chamber number should be zero.
    I can think of several reasons why tabling is good. Without it, one half of Congress could immobilize the other by passing countless nonsensical bills just to waste the other half's time.

    I don't expect the legislative process to be based on some odd sense of fair play. Politicians are elected to get things done; not play nice.

    But I'm still not seeing an explanation for why ACA is so be because the way it was passed is in your opinion somehow "unfair" and the majority doesn't support it even though it went through both houses of Congress whose members are subject to elections, but you think this bill which was passed through unfair methods, aand is unsupported by the majority deserves to be considered.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post

    I can think of several reasons why tabling is good. Without it, one half of Congress could immobilize the other by passing countless nonsensical bills just to waste the other half's time.
    I can think of a better one. Partisan bills should never become law. If a proposed law doesn't make sense to the majority of both parties, it is probably partisan and doesn't make sense for America.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    "I want an immigration policy that benefits the citizens of the US. We need to essentially stop all immigration until we decide what we really want. This is my country. It is not their country."
    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    our ancestors were all immigrants, too, and had to deal with the same thing from the residents at the time. i just don't buy into the argument that the current immigrants are different than our own ancestors.

    i'm not advocating for open borders, but i don't think anyone would argue that the status quo system is either ideal or sustainable. i think we can improve it.
    Do you have any idea what the current system is?

    What is ideal? Do you intend to change the electorate? How many millions of people should we allow to emigrate here each year? Why do you believe we should allow anyone to come here?

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