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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I'm not for amnesty myself. I posted that for sangha's stance on the polls. The polls he quoted didn't specifically ask about amnesty.
    And you didn't specifically state the difference between what those polls asked about and what amnesty is
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Militarizing the border is not a solution.
    It has been extremely successful in the past. Both in most countries and also in America.

    Back during WW ll when Mexican illegal aliens were illegally crossing the border to participate in the Bracero Program, soldiers from San Diego area, Marines from MCAS El Centro and soldiers from Fort Bliss and numerous of other military post and camps were sent to the border to stop illegal aliens from crossing the border. It became standard guard duty.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And you didn't specifically state the difference between what those polls asked about and what amnesty is
    If I was asked in a poll if I supported amnesty (which is to say that illegal immigrants already here and granted the ability to stay here with no strings attached) I would respond with a big fat no.

    If I was asked in a poll if I supported finding a way for them to gain legal citizenship if they met certain requirement (pass a background check, have jobs, etc. (things in the dream act for example)) I would respond sure thing.
    I have CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    If I was asked in a poll if I supported amnesty (which is to say that illegal immigrants already here and granted the ability to stay here with no strings attached) I would respond with a big fat no.

    If I was asked in a poll if I supported finding a way for them to gain legal citizenship if they met certain requirement (pass a background check, have jobs, etc. (things in the dream act for example)) I would respond sure thing.
    Amnesty is "finding a way for them to gain legal citizenship if they met certain requirement (pass a background check, have jobs, etc."

    Instead of describing what the differences are, all you did was tell me how susceptible your opinion is to changes in wording that don't change the meaning.

    Maybe someday, you'll explain what the differences actually are instead of merely insisting that they're different.
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Amnesty is "finding a way for them to gain legal citizenship if they met certain requirement (pass a background check, have jobs, etc."

    Instead of describing what the differences are, all you did was tell me how susceptible your opinion is to changes in wording that don't change the meaning.

    Maybe someday, you'll explain what the differences actually are instead of merely insisting that they're different.

    Amnesty - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Full Definition of AMNESTY


    : the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals
    Notice there is no mention of meeting certain requirements.
    I have CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Amnesty - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary



    Notice there is no mention of meeting certain requirements.
    Every single proposal to grant amnesty to undocumented resident has requirements.

    And the questions they asked in the poll specified that they would have to meet certain requirements
    Which statement comes closest to your view about how the immigration system should deal with immigrants who are currently living in the U.S. illegally? The immigration system should allow them a way to become citizens provided they meet certain requirements, allow them to become permanent legal residents but not citizens, identify and deport them.
    "Here are some questions about how the U.S. government should treat illegal immigrants who have been in this country for a number of years, hold a job, speak English and are willing to pay any back taxes that they owe.

    "Would you favor or oppose a bill that allowed those immigrants to stay in this country rather than being deported and eventually allow them to apply for U.S. citizenship?"
    Which comes closer to your view about how to handle undocumented immigrants who are now living in the U.S.? They should not be allowed to stay in this country legally. OR, There should be a way for them to stay in the country legally, if certain requirements are met."
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Every single proposal to grant amnesty to undocumented resident has requirements.
    Then they are not technically amnesty.
    I have CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There truly is a systemic border problem that has never been adequately addressed by either party. We will NOT see our borders secure, that's not in the interests of big business which BOTH parties pander to. Globalization is all about the free flow of goods and labor and borders are an impediment. People try to make this a finger pointing game but both parties are guilty, trying to insist that its one more so than the other wont fix anything. Hillary is a big advocate for open borders, and a global village. I was thinking you said you would vote for her if the GOP fielded the wrong candidate, or am I mistaken about that?
    As I said, both parties are at fault for the lack of border security. I don't remember Hillary stating that she was for open borders, or doing anything that would identify her as such. If she is, that would make me rethink my earlier statement. Do you have a link to proof of her either saying so, or acting in such a way to prove that she is?
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    C'mon P! There were no whips, no threats and no bribes

    But I see you're back to the "the majority didn't want that was forced upon the American people by a political party and their political agenda" while ignoring that the same can be said of the House's immigration bill, passed in the middle of the night




    There are no whips, threats or bribes. Please stop with the partisan political rhetoric. It is unbecoming coming from an independent like you.

    And as far as kicking a Senator out if they don't listen to their constituents wishes, I wonder why you don't take the same position when it came to ACA? Last time I checked, the Senate is still majority dem.




    And yet, here you are defending a bill that does not represent the wishes of the american people, was passed in the middle of the night, and is being pushed only to promote one political party

    And mind you, I'm not blaming you for wishing things would work that way. I'm blaming you for being inconsistent and using that line with ACA and then completely ignoring it when it comes to the House's immigration bill.



    I'm finding it hard coming from you because you are not being consistent about it. Despite your complaints about partisan bills, you are now defending a partisan bill because you (and not the majority of americans) like the bill.



    Gee, isn't that how ACA was passed?

    Yet you oppose it.



    YOu keep insisting that there is something wrong with tabling a bill, but you don't seem able to explain what the problem is

    The constitution gave each half of Congress the power to set its' own rules. Both Houses of Congress allow tabling. Both houses have tabled bills, and both parties have.

    I understand that you don't like it, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.



    The fact that they are not doing what you want them to do is not a problem, except maybe a problem for you.
    One, I am not an independent, I am a Reform Party Member. There is a big difference. There were bribes, Landrieu changed for vote for the Louisiana Purchase and Ben nelson for the Nebraska corn husker kickback. Numerous Senators and Representative were threaten by DNCC that they would either with hold campaign funds if they didn't vote the party line and these are just a couple.

    I will stand by the fact a bill that originates in the house should be debated and voted on in the senate. A bill that originates in the senate should be debated and voted on in the house. Only those very partisan would see nothing wrong with tabling. Boehner has done basically the same thing in the House on a couple of senate bills, he applies what is known a Hastert rule. It is just a despicable. But Boehner has done perhaps 10-15 times, not over 200. Each chamber number should be zero.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    I don't know why amnesty is even being discussed. Amnesty is what was passed under Reagan. So here we are in 2014 faced with the same problem that amnesty didn't solve. Why do people think that trying the same thing again would work this time?

    This is why bi-partisanship isn't always the best solution to problems. All ideas aren't equal and stupid ones should be rejected. Compromise for the sake of compromise results in bad policy. I'd rather congress do nothing and sit on their asses than pass more bad laws.

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