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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post


    You think that obfuscation still works? You're jumping from general statements to specific and then back again when you get caught. IF you want to freeze those goalposts for a bit, just regarding this crop of children: yes, the majority want to offer shelter and support BEFORE we deport them. The minority want them deported immediately. Amnesty is not even mentioned.

    And the polling on illegals in general is to deport and deport faster by a large majority.
    Yeah, those people want those kids to be deported eventually, which is why 68% say they should be allowed to stay

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    Funny how you don't link that.
    same link

    keep pretending you care about the link while proving you didn't click on it
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your link isn't to the poll, and the poll was of likely voters only, and not of the american people
    The only ones who have a say.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Totally FALSE partisan bull****. Stop being hypocritical! Our southern border has been unsecured for a very long time. In the past several decades 15-20 million immigrants have illegally entered our country. Reagan gave several million of them amnesty. No, NO president or congress has ever taken border security serious, nor will they. Play this finger pointing game all you want, and join the multitudes who aren't interested in solving problems but rather placing blame. International corporations have no use for secure boarders. Big business benefits by the cheap labor and the fact that illegal immigration drives down wages on American workers. Both parties pander to big business and you will NOT see our borders secure so long as an establishment republican or democrat is in the White House. But you have fun with your partisan finger pointing.

    i cant remember a president actually "inviting" them to come though....can you?

    i agree neither side has done much in the last 50 years regarding border security

    but can you agree, that it has gotten worse?

    and that in part, it is because of what the president has said and done

    and can we also agree that it is high time someone got off their ass and actually did something to solve the problem
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Polls are absolutely useless considering they can easily be manipulated numerous ways.
    translation; You'll consider any poll that you agree with as fact; otherwise you'll ignore the facts
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The only ones who have a say.
    Wrong

    Unlikely voters have just as much say and non-voters get just as much representation

    And they're all americans, so my claim that americans don't support deportation has been proven true.

    I'm right. You're wrong
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't see the word "everyone"
    Dude you straight up said "its what the American people want" now considering this is even a debate proves this is not what the American people want. This is what progressives and maybe RINO's want, but not me and the rest of the sane US citizens want.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't see how that addresses my point about the apparent contradiction in your position on ACA (you oppose based partially on the fact that the majority don't support it) and your position on immigration (you support deportation even though the majority doesn't support it)




    The American people disagree with you. That's not what they want. Why is it wrong when ACA is "forced down the throats" of americans, but OK when deportation is forced down the throats of Americans?

    And you haven't explained why it's wrong for Reid to table the House immigration bill when that is consistent with the desires of the American people
    The ACA is a bill that the majority didn't want that was forced upon the American people by a political party and their political agenda. By senators and representatives that failed to represent the people, that put political party ahead of the people. Plain and simple. We have the the ACA because Pelosi and Reid used the whip, used threats and used bribes. Now that is what I really have against the ACA, the use of whips, threats and bribes.

    The immigration bill not being brought up in the senate has nothing to do with the use of the whip, threats and bribes. If the American people are totally against, let the senate vote without the use of the whip, threats and bribes. Let each senator vote the wishes of their state and the people they represent in their state and not of their political party. If as you say, the majority of the people are against it, the majority of the people in a senators state, then if they have a Republican Senator, they should kick him out in the next election by not listening to the peoples wishes.

    This my party right or wrong has to go. We are in the quandary we are in today because our elected leaders, almost all of them put their political party way above the people they are suppose to represent. A house member should be representing his district and the people in it first, not his political party. A senator should be representing his state first, not his political party.

    I will never understand why this is so hard for people to understand. Well, the die hards of each party anyway. This is why I am a Reform Party member and do not belong to either of the major political parties. Never have and never will. I have no problem with the kids staying, but I would like the border to be secured. That is my view on this subject. But what I think has little to do with the legislative process.

    The house passes a bill. The senate takes it up and makes the changes the senate wants, adds, deletes, amends. Then the senate sends the bill back to the house where they can either pass it or make their changes, additions, deletions and amendments and so on. How can one who believes in our legislative process think tabling is right? Tabling is one person deciding the fate of legislation. That one person should not be Reid. It should be the president. If the president vetos the legislation, let congress over ride it if they can. But no senator or representative should have the power all by his lonesome to decide the fate of bills that should be debated or voted on.

    I would rather Pelosi and Reid use their whip, bribe fellow members of their party and threaten them to death than just to table and put a screeching halt to legislation and the proper legislative process by tabling.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong

    Unlikely voters have just as much say and non-voters get just as much representation

    And they're all americans, so my claim that americans don't support deportation has been proven true.

    I'm right. You're wrong
    No, it hasn't. All you have proven is that ONE polling outfit can ask twisted questions of a canned audience to produce an outlier in results. Read the question again, the question poses them as "immigrants" who are here illegally. They are not that. It's a matter of language and playing fast and loose with the polling.

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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Dude you straight up said "its what the American people want" now considering this is even a debate proves this is not what the American people want. This is what progressives and maybe RINO's want, but not me and the rest of the sane US citizens want.
    No, it's what the american people want
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    Re: House passes $694 million border bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    translation; You'll consider any poll that you agree with as fact; otherwise you'll ignore the facts
    I don't like any polls. They're all garbage.

    Besides, I'm baffled how anyone could even support the notion of amnesty. To me that is masochistic.

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