5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

[shrubnose]

A 5-year old girl visiting with friends in eastern Idaho died after being shot by another 5-year old in what police say is an accidental shooting.

Read more here: 5-year-old Idaho girl dies after Idaho playmate gets gun | Fox News

I have little doubt that the child who shot and killed her playmate didn't do it on purpose.

But that doesn't change the result that we're looking at.

Whoever owns that gun and failed to secure it needs to pay a heavy price for the death of this 5-year old which resulted from that carelessness.

 

[WCH]

A 5-year old girl visiting with friends in eastern Idaho died after being shot by another 5-year old in what police say is an accidental shooting.

Read more here: 5-year-old Idaho girl dies after Idaho playmate gets gun | Fox News

I have little doubt that the child who shot and killed her playmate didn't do it on purpose.

But that doesn't change the result that we're looking at.

Whoever owns that gun and failed to secure it needs to pay a heavy price for the death of this 5-year old which resulted from that carelessness.

Unfortunately there are no laws in Idaho for child safety purposes.

States with Firearm Laws Designed to Protect Children | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Not that they would prevent such accidents. sad!

 

[Beaudreaux]

A 5-year old girl visiting with friends in eastern Idaho died after being shot by another 5-year old in what police say is an accidental shooting.

Read more here: 5-year-old Idaho girl dies after Idaho playmate gets gun | Fox News

I have little doubt that the child who shot and killed her playmate didn't do it on purpose.

But that doesn't change the result that we're looking at.

Whoever owns that gun and failed to secure it needs to pay a heavy price for the death of this 5-year old which resulted from that carelessness.

Unfortunately there are no laws in Idaho for child safety purposes.

States with Firearm Laws Designed to Protect Children | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

No that they would prevent such accidents.

I know of instances where parents have been charged with Negligent Homicide, Child Endangerment, and other crimes for similar events.

The following is an example of a state statute dealing with negligent homicide:

"(a) (1) A person commits negligent homicide if he or she negligently causes the death of another person, not constituting murder or manslaughter, as a result of operating a vehicle, an aircraft, or a watercraft:

(A) While intoxicated; or

(B) If at that time there is an alcohol concentration of eight-hundredths (0.08) or more in the person’s breath or blood…as determined by a chemical test of the person’s blood, urine, breath, or other bodily substance.

(2) A person who violates subdivision (a) (1) of this section is guilty of a Class C felony.

(b) (1) A person who commits negligent homicide if he or she negligently causes the death of another person. A person who violates subdivision (b) (1) of this section is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."

 

[shrubnose]

Unfortunately there are no laws in Idaho for child safety purposes.

States with Firearm Laws Designed to Protect Children | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Not that they would prevent such accidents. sad!

If that gun had been securely stored, how could that accident happen?

Explain that to us.

That child is dead because a gun owned failed to securely store his gun.

 

[clownboy]

If that gun had been securely stored, how could that accident happen?

Explain that to us.

That child is dead because a gun owned failed to securely store his gun.

I agree the parents should have their firearms secured. However, asking how it could happen with a secured firearm is like asking how that child just managed to do what no adult seems to be able to, open that child-proof pill bottle, or drive the parent's car through the garage. Even at five I was getting into things my parents had well secured. My brother and sister never did, but I had a creative knack.

 

[Fenton]

I agree the parents should have their firearms secured. However, asking how it could happen with a secured firearm is like asking how that child just managed to do what no adult seems to be able to, open that child-proof pill bottle, or drive the parent's car through the garage. Even at five I was getting into things my parents had well secured. My brother and sister never did, but I had a creative knack.

This story got me thinking..

Should people be charged when a Child finds its way into a neighbors swimming pool ?

Because drowning accidents kills more kids than gun accidents

I go back and forth on the issue. I had a neighbor sho lost their 3 year old in another neighbors pool about 15 years ago.

 

[clownboy]

Should people be charged when a Child finds its way into a neighbors swimming pool ?

Drowning accidents kills more kids than gun accidents

Some are, some aren't. Depends upon if they were following all the regulations for securing the pool. If they were, they typically aren't charged. If they weren't, that's where charges are likely.

 

[Fenton]

Some are, some aren't. Depends upon if they were following all the regulations for securing the pool. If they were, they typically aren't charged. If they weren't, that's where charges are likely.

Yea it got me thinking.

I had a neighbor who lost their 3 year old in another neighbors pool about 15 years ago.

I remember it like it was yesterday.

He wandered across the street and couldn't be found for over an hour.

 

[Summerwind]

If that gun had been securely stored, how could that accident happen?

Explain that to us.

That child is dead because a gun owned failed to securely store his gun.

Hence why the best gun to own if one has children is a Glock with no round chambered. Problem is ... if one has a gun at home for safety against others, it's pretty useless if it's disassembled and/or locked up. So then what's the point in having it. First one has to educate one's children, not pretend the gun doesn't exist as many seem to, and secondly have a gun a child cannot, CANNOT, operate.

A Glock has such a stiff slide, no child can chamber a round, yet an adult can do it in a second meaning it's ready for an adult to use if an immediate threat occurs. That's what I had and every year on their birthday's they were required to try to pull the slide (with no rounds or magazine in the Glock), and as soon as they could it was off to gun training and the shooting range.

 

[Summerwind]

Yea it got me thinking.

I had a neighbor who lost their 3 year old in another neighbors pool about 15 years ago.

I remember it like it was yesterday.

He wandered across the street and couldn't be found for over an hour.

Some communities require locked fencing around the pool or similar, others don't. Depends on what the local laws for pools are. Oh, and those rules are only for permanent pools anyway, an above ground temp-type pool or even a hottub are usually not included. So it is up to parents to know WTF their children are.

 

[clownboy]

Yea it got me thinking.

I had a neighbor who lost their 3 year old in another neighbors pool about 15 years ago.

I remember it like it was yesterday.

He wandered across the street and couldn't be found for over an hour.

Oh man, that, like this, just tears the heart out of all concerned.

 

[jamesrage]

A 5-year old girl visiting with friends in eastern Idaho died after being shot by another 5-year old in what police say is an accidental shooting.

Read more here: 5-year-old Idaho girl dies after Idaho playmate gets gun | Fox News

I have little doubt that the child who shot and killed her playmate didn't do it on purpose.

But that doesn't change the result that we're looking at.

Whoever owns that gun and failed to secure it needs to pay a heavy price for the death of this 5-year old which resulted from that carelessness.

We tell kids to not do drugs so that they do not become a junkie. We tell kids to look both ways before crossing the street so that they do not get ran over. We tell kids to not talk to strangers so that Chester the child molester does not kidnap then.We tell kids to not run with scissors and other sharp objects so that they do not accidentally stab themselves or others. We have sex ed classes to preach safe sex and sometimes abstinence so that they do not get STDs and unplanned pregnancies. I have even seen commercials on TV telling teens to not send naked pics of themselves because their boyfriend might be an ass and show everyone and you'll be called the town slut because of it. This is a country with at least 80 million plus gun owners owning altogether at least 310 million firearms. So one would think that it would be a no brainer having public service announcements reminding adults to secure their guns and teach kids firearm safety and public service announcement and schools teaching kids to not play with firearms. As long as they leave out the anti-2nd amendment message and do not try to push the message that guns are e-vile I think those PSAs would be well received.

 

[gunner]

Unfortunately there are no laws in Idaho for child safety purposes.

States with Firearm Laws Designed to Protect Children | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Not that they would prevent such accidents. sad!

How can you claim it is an accident, that a 5yr old got access to a lethal weapon?

Paul

 

[WCH]

I know of instances where parents have been charged with Negligent Homicide, Child Endangerment, and other crimes for similar events.

The following is an example of a state statute dealing with negligent homicide:

"(a) (1) A person commits negligent homicide if he or she negligently causes the death of another person, not constituting murder or manslaughter, as a result of operating a vehicle, an aircraft, or a watercraft:

(A) While intoxicated; or

(B) If at that time there is an alcohol concentration of eight-hundredths (0.08) or more in the person’s breath or blood…as determined by a chemical test of the person’s blood, urine, breath, or other bodily substance.

(2) A person who violates subdivision (a) (1) of this section is guilty of a Class C felony.

(b) (1) A person who commits negligent homicide if he or she negligently causes the death of another person. A person who violates subdivision (b) (1) of this section is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."

Yep., we have severe penalties here in Texas.

 

[WCH]

If that gun had been securely stored, how could that accident happen?

Explain that to us.

That child is dead because a gun owned failed to securely store his gun.

My point that just because there's a law, it doesn't mean people won't be idiots.

I agree the gun should not have been available for those kids. We have grandchildren and take great strides to assure all weapons are safely stored when they are around.

 

[shrubnose]

This story got me thinking..

Should people be charged when a Child finds its way into a neighbors swimming pool ?

Because drowning accidents kills more kids than gun accidents

I go back and forth on the issue. I had a neighbor sho lost their 3 year old in another neighbors pool about 15 years ago.

All that I'm going to say is that an easily accessible swimming pool is a death trap for a lot of people.

 

[Phil_Osophy]

Or maybe we should just accept that accidents happen. Kids should know that guns kill people. The kid that picks up a real firearm is the same kid that would have fell off a cliff in the caveman days.

 

[Phil_Osophy]

Liberals demand more laws. Big surprise there.

 

[WCH]

How can you claim it is an accident, that a 5yr old got access to a lethal weapon?

Paul

Unless there's a sick individual involved, no one wanted this to happen. So it's an accident. [doesn't mean someone isn't at fault]

 

[Beaudreaux]

How can you claim it is an accident, that a 5yr old got access to a lethal weapon?

Paul

I doubt the parents planned this, which would make it intentional, so it was an accident. An avoidable accident by using reasonable care and due diligence to secure the weapon, but still an accident. What is potentially subject to prosecution would be CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE and NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. There are four factors that have to be proven to charge and convict criminal negligence: 1) was there HARM, 2) was there a DUTY, 3) was there a FAILURE TO PERFORM OR FULFILL THE DUTY, and 4) is there a CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP between the FAILURE TO PERFORM OR FULFILL THE DUTY and the HARM that occurred. If the answer to ALL four is yes, then they are guilty of CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE, and add to that, if the HARM results in a death, then they are guilty of NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. Accidents can be the result of negligence and that negligence can result in death. It's still an accident. If it isn't an accident, it's MURDER or MANSLAUGHTER.

(words in all caps are not being yelled, but rather done so to highlight them as they are done in printed regulations and some laws)

 

[Jerry]

A 5-year old girl visiting with friends in eastern Idaho died after being shot by another 5-year old in what police say is an accidental shooting.

Read more here: 5-year-old Idaho girl dies after Idaho playmate gets gun | Fox News

I have little doubt that the child who shot and killed her playmate didn't do it on purpose.

But that doesn't change the result that we're looking at.

Whoever owns that gun and failed to secure it needs to pay a heavy price for the death of this 5-year old which resulted from that carelessness.

Gun owners in this situation should face a child endangerment charge.

 

[WCH]

Or maybe we should just accept that accidents happen. Kids should know that guns kill people. The kid that picks up a real firearm is the same kid that would have fell off a cliff in the caveman days.

Most gun owners are hyper-aware about gun safety and teach their kids from an early age what a not to touch a gun if they come across one [at home or elsewhere] and go tell an adult.

What gets me are these toys that look just like the real thing. That's bound to be sending a confusing message.

 

[Beaudreaux]

My point that just because there's a law, it doesn't mean people won't be idiots.

I agree the gun should not have been available for those kids. We have grandchildren and take great strides to assure all weapons are safely stored when they are around.

If the opposite were true, we wouldn't need jails, because no one would be breaking the law.

 

[Jerry]

I agree the parents should have their firearms secured. However, asking how it could happen with a secured firearm is like asking how that child just managed to do what no adult seems to be able to, open that child-proof pill bottle, or drive the parent's car through the garage. Even at five I was getting into things my parents had well secured. My brother and sister never did, but I had a creative knack.

When my kids were that age I just put all such items in the gun safe.

 

[Jerry]

This story got me thinking..

Should people be charged when a Child finds its way into a neighbors swimming pool ?

This wasn't the neighbor's gun.