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5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

Actually our law system is based on punishment after the fact. IE: Once a crime is committed by someone then they are punished. Your examples here are all of criminals that have already broken the law. We DON'T restrict everyone else's freedoms based on what criminals have done. By attempting to ban all guns or restrict innocent gun owners Rights you are punishing people for...being innocent.

Not true at all. That is why we maintain criminal records. When you commit a crime, the punishment never really stops. A criminal record follows you and does prevent or hinder you from attaining your full potential.
 
Not true at all. That is why we maintain criminal records. When you commit a crime, the punishment never really stops. A criminal record follows you and does prevent or hinder you from attaining your full potential.

And all of that happens AFTER you committed a crime does it not?
 
And all of that happens AFTER you committed a crime does it not?

And your point... I am guessing is that making people register their firearms is somehow a punishment, but its not. Registration, in no way, prevents you from owning a firearm.
 
And your point... I am guessing is that making people register their firearms is somehow a punishment, but its not. Registration, in no way, prevents you from owning a firearm.

Actually it can. 1: If you refuse to register your already owned gun that makes you a felon. Which prevents you from owning a gun period. 2: If you refuse to register your gun at the time that you buy the gun then you are not allowed to buy the gun. Which prevents you from exercising your 2nd Amendment Right.

But besides that, it is most definitely a violation of our Right to Privacy. There is no need for the government to know that someone owns a gun. It does nothing to stop crime or prevent crime.
 
Actually it can. 1: If you refuse to register your already owned gun that makes you a felon. Which prevents you from owning a gun period. 2: If you refuse to register your gun at the time that you buy the gun then you are not allowed to buy the gun. Which prevents you from exercising your 2nd Amendment Right.

But besides that, it is most definitely a violation of our Right to Privacy. There is no need for the government to know that someone owns a gun. It does nothing to stop crime or prevent crime.

The refusal to register, yes... but registering a firearm does not affect your freedom to legally own a firearm.
 
Again, it does violate our Right to Privacy.

Do filing taxes violate your right to privacy?... the government knows where you live. I think the right to privacy will soon be destroyed by the wake of technology anyway, so for me its not an issue.
 
Again, it does violate our Right to Privacy.

Also, I don't think it matters either way if they know you own a gun or not. If they want to come get you, they will come get you with an armed force that currently can not be fought by a single civilian anyway. The government already presumes (police, FBI, CIA ect ect) that people they are after are armed to begin with.
 
Do filing taxes violate your right to privacy?... the government knows where you live.

With valid reason, yes it does. There is no valid reason substantial enough to demand that someone register their gun however as it does not stop nor prevent crime.

I think the right to privacy will soon be destroyed by the wake of technology anyway, so for me its not an issue.

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. But it still does not give the government the right to violate it.
 
By holding people accountable for the legal purchase, use and sale via registration/inspection/verification process.

People are held accountable now.

Why punish people if they have done nothing wrong? that is the opposite of our American system of justice.

Any commercially sold guns require background checks already.
 
I agree, it will not prevent people from shooting each other. It will vastly reduce gun violence by sanctioning the proliferation of arms into the streets. Will they still make it to the streets, sure.. But with a process in place that will strictly account for weapons, we can trace the weapon to the responsible owner and hold them accountable for irresponsible sale or security of said firearm. It will also make it much more expensive to purchase firearms illegally because people will want more money to take the risk of being caught.

Most of that is already in place.

If you are implying that *I* am at fault if a criminal breaks into my car or my home and steals my possession, including firearms, that's bull****. I am not responsible for the actions of criminals.
 
Not true at all. That is why we maintain criminal records. When you commit a crime, the punishment never really stops. A criminal record follows you and does prevent or hinder you from attaining your full potential.

And who says that is right or moral? It may not even serve society well...that can easily be debated.
 
Do filing taxes violate your right to privacy?... the government knows where you live. I think the right to privacy will soon be destroyed by the wake of technology anyway, so for me its not an issue.

I havent read all the new responses but have you ignored the fact that person to person sales would require SSN be provided? (Not to mention that they also cost $$ and before you ask, NO, I dont believe we should have to pay even more.)
 
Also, I don't think it matters either way if they know you own a gun or not. If they want to come get you, they will come get you with an armed force that currently can not be fought by a single civilian anyway. The government already presumes (police, FBI, CIA ect ect) that people they are after are armed to begin with.

That will happen only a few times. Then people will band together.

The govt can still win...but the cost, politically....not remotely worth it.
 
I agree, it will not prevent people from shooting each other. It will vastly reduce gun violence by sanctioning the proliferation of arms into the streets. Will they still make it to the streets, sure.. But with a process in place that will strictly account for weapons, we can trace the weapon to the responsible owner and hold them accountable for irresponsible sale or security of said firearm. It will also make it much more expensive to purchase firearms illegally because people will want more money to take the risk of being caught.

How are you holding the registered owners accountable for weapons stolen from them? How do you prove then were not locked up in gun safes?

And how on earth to you justify punishing the victims of crimes for the actions of the criminals who victimized them?

So your theories hold absolutely no water. The accountability thing is pure fiction.
 
This story got me thinking..

Should people be charged when a Child finds its way into a neighbors swimming pool ?

Because drowning accidents kills more kids than gun accidents
Yes.

It depends on the circumstances though. A fenced in swimming pool behind a locked gate, probably not. Likewise, a weapon with a lock on it that is accessed after somebody tracks down a key would probably not constitute criminal negligence.

Inviting the three year old over to play, and then not supervising him or her?- probably negligent. Not fencing the pool, or not locking the gate?- maybe.
 
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