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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

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    The refusal to register, yes... but registering a firearm does not affect your freedom to legally own a firearm.
    Again, it does violate our Right to Privacy.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

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    Again, it does violate our Right to Privacy.
    Do filing taxes violate your right to privacy?... the government knows where you live. I think the right to privacy will soon be destroyed by the wake of technology anyway, so for me its not an issue.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

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    Again, it does violate our Right to Privacy.
    Also, I don't think it matters either way if they know you own a gun or not. If they want to come get you, they will come get you with an armed force that currently can not be fought by a single civilian anyway. The government already presumes (police, FBI, CIA ect ect) that people they are after are armed to begin with.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Do filing taxes violate your right to privacy?... the government knows where you live.
    With valid reason, yes it does. There is no valid reason substantial enough to demand that someone register their gun however as it does not stop nor prevent crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I think the right to privacy will soon be destroyed by the wake of technology anyway, so for me its not an issue.
    I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. But it still does not give the government the right to violate it.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    By holding people accountable for the legal purchase, use and sale via registration/inspection/verification process.
    People are held accountable now.

    Why punish people if they have done nothing wrong? that is the opposite of our American system of justice.

    Any commercially sold guns require background checks already.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I agree, it will not prevent people from shooting each other. It will vastly reduce gun violence by sanctioning the proliferation of arms into the streets. Will they still make it to the streets, sure.. But with a process in place that will strictly account for weapons, we can trace the weapon to the responsible owner and hold them accountable for irresponsible sale or security of said firearm. It will also make it much more expensive to purchase firearms illegally because people will want more money to take the risk of being caught.
    Most of that is already in place.

    If you are implying that *I* am at fault if a criminal breaks into my car or my home and steals my possession, including firearms, that's bull****. I am not responsible for the actions of criminals.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Not true at all. That is why we maintain criminal records. When you commit a crime, the punishment never really stops. A criminal record follows you and does prevent or hinder you from attaining your full potential.
    And who says that is right or moral? It may not even serve society well...that can easily be debated.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Do filing taxes violate your right to privacy?... the government knows where you live. I think the right to privacy will soon be destroyed by the wake of technology anyway, so for me its not an issue.
    I havent read all the new responses but have you ignored the fact that person to person sales would require SSN be provided? (Not to mention that they also cost $$ and before you ask, NO, I dont believe we should have to pay even more.)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Also, I don't think it matters either way if they know you own a gun or not. If they want to come get you, they will come get you with an armed force that currently can not be fought by a single civilian anyway. The government already presumes (police, FBI, CIA ect ect) that people they are after are armed to begin with.
    That will happen only a few times. Then people will band together.

    The govt can still win...but the cost, politically....not remotely worth it.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I agree, it will not prevent people from shooting each other. It will vastly reduce gun violence by sanctioning the proliferation of arms into the streets. Will they still make it to the streets, sure.. But with a process in place that will strictly account for weapons, we can trace the weapon to the responsible owner and hold them accountable for irresponsible sale or security of said firearm. It will also make it much more expensive to purchase firearms illegally because people will want more money to take the risk of being caught.
    How are you holding the registered owners accountable for weapons stolen from them? How do you prove then were not locked up in gun safes?

    And how on earth to you justify punishing the victims of crimes for the actions of the criminals who victimized them?

    So your theories hold absolutely no water. The accountability thing is pure fiction.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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