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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

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    Without a registration and accountability process, guns will continue to find their way into the wrong hands en mass..
    Registration stops little....how many killers use weapons kept in their family? Steal them? Are perfectly able to qualify for purchase and registration anyway?

    Do you know how many cops use their guns to kill their families and themselves? Even leave them around and their kids get them and kill someone, like a brother or sister or self?
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    We are both talking about open carry in populated public areas. And no, he's not the only LEO that is not okay with this new fad of open carry in populated public areas like stores and McDonalds, et al. Hell even one of our own strongly pro-gun members here started a thread about how the open carry attitudes of most that are doing it is doing more harm to the cause than good. Sorry, y'all that want to open carry in populated areas, are doing only to garner attention and be arrogant fools, and neither of those types should even own guns.

    You're indignation about potentially being included in that is no concern of mine.
    New fad? You do realize that OCing has been around since the dawn of the gun right? It is nothing new. It is nothing out of the ordinary.

    And fyi, in the area that I live in OCing happens regularly and no one bats and eye. So doing it to garner attention would be pointless.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Our entire law system is based on that concept. Why do we maintain criminal records, so that we know who the dangerous people are. That is infact a way of punishing people for what they have the propensity of doing based on evidence. Why do we have a sex offender registry, because we have identified these people have a history of being sexual predators and based on that history, we deem them a danger to society. Why do people get so upset when people who murder are let out early and murder again. They should have known that person was a dangerous person based on their history of violence. I mean come on. Do you really not have a better argument then that?
    Actually our law system is based on punishment after the fact. IE: Once a crime is committed by someone then they are punished. Your examples here are all of criminals that have already broken the law. We DON'T restrict everyone else's freedoms based on what criminals have done. By attempting to ban all guns or restrict innocent gun owners Rights you are punishing people for...being innocent.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

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    How can guns be made safer?
    By holding people accountable for the legal purchase, use and sale via registration/inspection/verification process.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Registration stops little....how many killers use weapons kept in their family? Steal them? Are perfectly able to qualify for purchase and registration anyway?

    Do you know how many cops use their guns to kill their families and themselves? Even leave them around and their kids get them and kill someone, like a brother or sister or self?
    I agree, it will not prevent people from shooting each other. It will vastly reduce gun violence by sanctioning the proliferation of arms into the streets. Will they still make it to the streets, sure.. But with a process in place that will strictly account for weapons, we can trace the weapon to the responsible owner and hold them accountable for irresponsible sale or security of said firearm. It will also make it much more expensive to purchase firearms illegally because people will want more money to take the risk of being caught.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually our law system is based on punishment after the fact. IE: Once a crime is committed by someone then they are punished. Your examples here are all of criminals that have already broken the law. We DON'T restrict everyone else's freedoms based on what criminals have done. By attempting to ban all guns or restrict innocent gun owners Rights you are punishing people for...being innocent.
    Not true at all. That is why we maintain criminal records. When you commit a crime, the punishment never really stops. A criminal record follows you and does prevent or hinder you from attaining your full potential.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Not true at all. That is why we maintain criminal records. When you commit a crime, the punishment never really stops. A criminal record follows you and does prevent or hinder you from attaining your full potential.
    And all of that happens AFTER you committed a crime does it not?
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And all of that happens AFTER you committed a crime does it not?
    And your point... I am guessing is that making people register their firearms is somehow a punishment, but its not. Registration, in no way, prevents you from owning a firearm.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    And your point... I am guessing is that making people register their firearms is somehow a punishment, but its not. Registration, in no way, prevents you from owning a firearm.
    Actually it can. 1: If you refuse to register your already owned gun that makes you a felon. Which prevents you from owning a gun period. 2: If you refuse to register your gun at the time that you buy the gun then you are not allowed to buy the gun. Which prevents you from exercising your 2nd Amendment Right.

    But besides that, it is most definitely a violation of our Right to Privacy. There is no need for the government to know that someone owns a gun. It does nothing to stop crime or prevent crime.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually it can. 1: If you refuse to register your already owned gun that makes you a felon. Which prevents you from owning a gun period. 2: If you refuse to register your gun at the time that you buy the gun then you are not allowed to buy the gun. Which prevents you from exercising your 2nd Amendment Right.

    But besides that, it is most definitely a violation of our Right to Privacy. There is no need for the government to know that someone owns a gun. It does nothing to stop crime or prevent crime.
    The refusal to register, yes... but registering a firearm does not affect your freedom to legally own a firearm.
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