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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    The regulations are there for consumer protection purposes. The tight restrictions on the manufacture of vehicles has forced manufactures to put safety features that they otherwise would care less to install. It also holds them responsible for faulty design that can make a vehicle unsafe. It is true, that any vehicle is a potential death trap, but the government restrictions on vehicles greatly reduce the impact an accident has on its operators.
    guns are incredibly safe to use if used properly. I have more than a half million rounds of experience. Never have a gun blow up or hurt me. I guess the manufacturers are pretty safety conscious



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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Getting rid of personal vehicles is not remotely the same as eliminating modern transportation from a society. People do not need 'personal' cars for society to succeed. Not only that, now the road and highway networks are built. They will last alot longer with the lessened traffic of public transporation on them.

    Get over that, it is so lame.
    Personal vehicles are necessary to the success of any economy. Public transportation, while effective in overcrowded cities, are no where near as efficient as the highway system. When I lived in Japan I use to take the train all the time, but the problem is the train does not go everywhere you need to go. You have to take multiple trains and then a cab to get to a specific place. It ends up costing more money in the long run and takes about the same amount of time as just driving to where you need to go.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    guns are incredibly safe to use if used properly. I have more than a half million rounds of experience. Never have a gun blow up or hurt me. I guess the manufacturers are pretty safety conscious
    True, but guns don't have to be registered, insured, maintained in order to be operated. No paperwork is requires when one is sold and owners are not forced to account for them.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    True, but guns don't have to be registered, insured, maintained in order to be operated. No paperwork is requires when one is sold and owners are not forced to account for them.
    you are confusing things

    1) you don't need to register a car, insure it or have a license to operate it on private property. Your driver's license is good in all fifty states and some other countries. You can live in california and buy a car in Ohio.

    2) do you anti gun extremists really want guns and cars to be treated the same meaning my CCW permit is good in cesspools of socialist scum like Chicago or DC? or that I can own a gun that is far more powerful than anything the cops have? etc

    you best think things through before comparing the constitutionally guaranteed right with cars



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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confusing things

    1) you don't need to register a car, insure it or have a license to operate it on private property. Your driver's license is good in all fifty states and some other countries. You can live in california and buy a car in Ohio.
    What good is a car you can only park in your driveway? I think we would both agree that the same could be said for a firearm.

    2) do you anti gun extremists really want guns and cars to be treated the same meaning my CCW permit is good in cesspools of socialist scum like Chicago or DC? or that I can own a gun that is far more powerful than anything the cops have? etc

    you best think things through before comparing the constitutionally guaranteed right with cars
    I actually have no problem with you owning a gun of any kind. Hell, you want a shoulder fire rocket launcher, tank, 155MM artillery piece, SA-12 missile launcher.... Just as long as you operate it legally, register it and the person you sell it to registers it.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    What good is a car you can only park in your driveway? I think we would both agree that the same could be said for a firearm.



    I actually have no problem with you owning a gun of any kind. Hell, you want a shoulder fire rocket launcher, tank, 155MM artillery piece, SA-12 missile launcher.... Just as long as you operate it legally, register it and the person you sell it to registers it.
    Lots of AMericans never use a firearm on public streets. they keep them in their homes and use them at private clubs or hunting property.

    why should I register a gun so assholes can demand I turn it in when some assholes pass a law banning it?

    the federal government has no legitimate authority to demand people register a gun they have already owned



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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lots of AMericans never use a firearm on public streets. they keep them in their homes and use them at private clubs or hunting property.

    why should I register a gun so assholes can demand I turn it in when some assholes pass a law banning it?

    the federal government has no legitimate authority to demand people register a gun they have already owned
    Without a registration and accountability process, guns will continue to find their way into the wrong hands en mass..
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    The regulations are there for consumer protection purposes. The tight restrictions on the manufacture of vehicles has forced manufactures to put safety features that they otherwise would care less to install. It also holds them responsible for faulty design that can make a vehicle unsafe. It is true, that any vehicle is a potential death trap, but the government restrictions on vehicles greatly reduce the impact an accident has on its operators.
    How can guns be made safer?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Personal vehicles are necessary to the success of any economy.
    Not for everyone, not remotely. It's more about convenience. As you point out. And Japan and Europe are not 3rd world countries, they're managing just fine.

    They could certainly be more severely restricted....number of people in a car, times you're allowed to drive, slower speeds, etc. How would people feel about that?

    Not too happy. We have a huge feeling of entitlement towards our cars.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    True, but guns don't have to be registered, insured, maintained in order to be operated. No paperwork is requires when one is sold and owners are not forced to account for them.
    How many crimes or accidents happen *because* they arent registered, insured, or maintained?

    And for any private person to sell a gun to another person, they would be required to take their SSN. Have you considered (or care about) the gross privacy and security violations that would enable?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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