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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yea it got me thinking.

    I had a neighbor who lost their 3 year old in another neighbors pool about 15 years ago.

    I remember it like it was yesterday.

    He wandered across the street and couldn't be found for over an hour.
    Oh man, that, like this, just tears the heart out of all concerned.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    A 5-year old girl visiting with friends in eastern Idaho died after being shot by another 5-year old in what police say is an accidental shooting.

    Read more here: 5-year-old Idaho girl dies after Idaho playmate gets gun | Fox News

    I have little doubt that the child who shot and killed her playmate didn't do it on purpose.

    But that doesn't change the result that we're looking at.

    Whoever owns that gun and failed to secure it needs to pay a heavy price for the death of this 5-year old which resulted from that carelessness.
    We tell kids to not do drugs so that they do not become a junkie. We tell kids to look both ways before crossing the street so that they do not get ran over. We tell kids to not talk to strangers so that Chester the child molester does not kidnap then.We tell kids to not run with scissors and other sharp objects so that they do not accidentally stab themselves or others. We have sex ed classes to preach safe sex and sometimes abstinence so that they do not get STDs and unplanned pregnancies. I have even seen commercials on TV telling teens to not send naked pics of themselves because their boyfriend might be an ass and show everyone and you'll be called the town slut because of it. This is a country with at least 80 million plus gun owners owning altogether at least 310 million firearms. So one would think that it would be a no brainer having public service announcements reminding adults to secure their guns and teach kids firearm safety and public service announcement and schools teaching kids to not play with firearms. As long as they leave out the anti-2nd amendment message and do not try to push the message that guns are e-vile I think those PSAs would be well received.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Unfortunately there are no laws in Idaho for child safety purposes.

    States with Firearm Laws Designed to Protect Children | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

    Not that they would prevent such accidents. sad!
    How can you claim it is an accident, that a 5yr old got access to a lethal weapon?

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If that gun had been securely stored, how could that accident happen?

    Explain that to us.

    That child is dead because a gun owned failed to securely store his gun.
    My point that just because there's a law, it doesn't mean people won't be idiots.

    I agree the gun should not have been available for those kids. We have grandchildren and take great strides to assure all weapons are safely stored when they are around.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    This story got me thinking..

    Should people be charged when a Child finds its way into a neighbors swimming pool ?







    Because drowning accidents kills more kids than gun accidents

    I go back and forth on the issue. I had a neighbor sho lost their 3 year old in another neighbors pool about 15 years ago.



    All that I'm going to say is that an easily accessible swimming pool is a death trap for a lot of people.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Or maybe we should just accept that accidents happen. Kids should know that guns kill people. The kid that picks up a real firearm is the same kid that would have fell off a cliff in the caveman days.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Liberals demand more laws. Big surprise there.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    How can you claim it is an accident, that a 5yr old got access to a lethal weapon?

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    Unless there's a sick individual involved, no one wanted this to happen. So it's an accident. [doesn't mean someone isn't at fault]
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    How can you claim it is an accident, that a 5yr old got access to a lethal weapon?

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    I doubt the parents planned this, which would make it intentional, so it was an accident. An avoidable accident by using reasonable care and due diligence to secure the weapon, but still an accident. What is potentially subject to prosecution would be CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE and NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. There are four factors that have to be proven to charge and convict criminal negligence: 1) was there HARM, 2) was there a DUTY, 3) was there a FAILURE TO PERFORM OR FULFILL THE DUTY, and 4) is there a CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP between the FAILURE TO PERFORM OR FULFILL THE DUTY and the HARM that occurred. If the answer to ALL four is yes, then they are guilty of CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE, and add to that, if the HARM results in a death, then they are guilty of NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. Accidents can be the result of negligence and that negligence can result in death. It's still an accident. If it isn't an accident, it's MURDER or MANSLAUGHTER.

    (words in all caps are not being yelled, but rather done so to highlight them as they are done in printed regulations and some laws)
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