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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Oh, so your saying our opinions do matter? Or only my opinion does not matter because you don't agree with it.
    I answered clearly and directly to your question, we do not live in a dictatorship. And no, your opinion does not matter because its immaterial to my rights.

    If you disagree with this, here would be where you demonstrate that your opinion is at all relevent to my rights.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I answered clearly and directly to your question, we do not live in a dictatorship. And no, your opinion does not matter because its immaterial to my rights.

    If you disagree with this, here would be where you demonstrate that your opinion is at all relevent to my rights.
    Because the constitution is not a static document. It can be amended, changed, re-written. The thought that the constitution is written in stone is akin to extremists who believe the bible is the literal word of god. There are debates even today as to how to decipher the words in the constitution, just as there are debates on what the writings in the bible mean. Just think if we had held to the writings in the bible, just as thouse in the ME have the Koran. It was the whole reason the ME went from one of the scientific centers of the world to one of the most archaic is because they did not conform their beliefs to the evolution of society. The same is true with the constitution. The ideals expressed within are up for debate, and not static. Which is why there are ways to amend, change and even re-write it if we wanted. Which is why my opinion does matter, as well as yours. We both have the capacity to debate for change. And while our opinions may not have an immediate effect, they can over time if enough people agree with our opinion.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Because the constitution is not a static document. It can be amended, changed, re-written. The thought that the constitution is written in stone is akin to extremists who believe the bible is the literal word of god. There are debates even today as to how to decipher the words in the constitution, just as there are debates on what the writings in the bible mean. Just think if we had held to the writings in the bible, just as thouse in the ME have the Koran. It was the whole reason the ME went from one of the scientific centers of the world to one of the most archaic is because they did not conform their beliefs to the evolution of society. The same is true with the constitution. The ideals expressed within are up for debate, and not static. Which is why there are ways to amend, change and even re-write it if we wanted. Which is why my opinion does matter, as well as yours. We both have the capacity to debate for change. And while our opinions may not have an immediate effect, they can over time if enough people agree with our opinion.
    It surely is not static, nor is it not inclusive of all natural rights, it merely recognizes some, and establishes the criteria for change. Change which is thankfully meticulous and difficult to change, because if the left had its way we'd all be in gulags within a few months.

    Debate to your hearts content, your opinion is immaterial.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It surely is not static, nor is it not inclusive of all natural rights, it merely recognizes some, and establishes the criteria for change. Change which is thankfully meticulous and difficult to change, because if the left had its way we'd all be in gulags within a few months.

    Debate to your hearts content, your opinion is immaterial.
    Well, thankfully those who wrote the constitution do not agree.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Well, thankfully those who wrote the constitution do not agree.
    Disagree with what exactly?

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Disagree with what exactly?
    That my opinion is irrelevant.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    That my opinion is irrelevant.
    Your opinion is irrelevant. A 2/3's majority willing to put forward such a measure, yes.

    Or do you think your opinion trumps that?

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It surely is not static, nor is it not inclusive of all natural rights, it merely recognizes some, and establishes the criteria for change. Change which is thankfully meticulous and difficult to change, because if the left had its way we'd all be in gulags within a few months.

    Debate to your hearts content, your opinion is immaterial.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Your opinion is irrelevant. A 2/3's majority willing to put forward such a measure, yes.

    Or do you think your opinion trumps that?
    You thing change happens overnight. Historically that is not the case. Change comes from a growing movement of people which derive from a minority opinion. At least at the time it was a minority opinion, but as more people agree, it no longer becomes a minority opinion. The vietnam war protests started out as a minority opinion, just as the protest against the war in Iraq. Both opinions started out small and grew.

    That is how society has moved from survival of the fittest to civilized society. The whole way, conservatives tried to maintain the status quo, while liberals have tried to make changes. It has always been the case that the compromise between the two has lead to a responsible continuous change over time. A drastic change would be devastating, as well as no change at all. So the compromise of the two has lead to current day civilization and morals.

    I watched a documentary on Chinese society. The Chinese seem to understand this very well. While they continue to recieve outside pressure to change overnight, they know that overnight change would be disasterous for chinese society and culture. Based on what I have read and seen, the chinese are not against democracy and capitalism, they are actually moving in that direction. But they want to do it in a way that preserves chinese culture. So in essence, a minority opinion which grows in popularity can change even a country as large as china.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Statistics, advocating for state control like its cool. And they'd gladly trade our rights for some "solution" they have been sold.

    This is the face of the left.

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