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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A society which has almost as many weapons as people is going to have an amount of collateral damage. Some innocent people will pay for that reality.

    A society which has almost as many cars as people is going to have an amount of collateral damage. Some innocent people will pay for that reality.

    So, what is your point exactly?
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    When the gun nuts start being part of the solution rather then the problem, the "gun control nutters" will stop fighting you. It is a fight you will loose in the long run. As I have said many times before, you can either come to the bargaining table and be part of the solution, or be left out and let us "gun control nutters" solve the issue without you. The country has been on a liberal track for a few hundred years. It is about time you come to terms with that. The south lost the war, slavery was abolished, women were allowed to vote and gay marriage is now becoming legal in most states. How many more wars do you want to lose? I highly suggest to you "gun nuts" out there that you come meet the "gun control nutters" half way on some issues to take some of the heat off, or else you will be handed a deafening defeat.
    Not sure why you are so confident there. There was a huge push for new restrictions after the Newtown school tragedy. I didnt hear of one piece of legislation that was passed after that except in Conn itself. None of the ones in this state passed.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The owner knew unauthorized use could occure if they didn't secure the gun, so this wasn't an accident. The owner failed to properly secure the gun, so it's negligence.
    Personally if it's not about kids in the home, that's bull**** too.

    I am not responsible for anything that a criminal steals from my car or home. I am not a criminal, they are. I am not responsible for other people breaking the law. Would I be held liable if I they stole my car and used it in the commission of a crime (happened, wasnt)?

    I have every right to have my firearm immediately accessible to me in my home, There are zero kids around and if there were I would secure but otherwise, I am not to be blamed for a criminal's actions. That gun lives on a nightstand shelf right where I can access immediately in my safe room/bedroom. If my home is broken into, I know that someone may be inside able to use it against me but I live in a rural area with dogs so it's unlikely someone will be inside when I arrived home and am not aware of something being wrong.

    And in my state, by law I do not have to secure my gun (if there are no kids in the home), thankfully.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not sure why you are so confident there. There was a huge push for new restrictions after the Newtown school tragedy. I didnt hear of one piece of legislation that was passed after that except in Conn itself. None of the ones in this state passed.
    There are enough people who support such legislation, but it will probably take a string of incidents or possibly one large incident to light the fire under their butts to care enough to push for it. That is the way Americans are. Take 911 for example. It takes a series or one large tragic event to get people going. These events are starting to manifest themselves starting with the string of school shootings. Based on the current climate of a society saturated with guns and mental illness, it is only a matter of time before an event transpires that will force people to get off their bums and actually voice their opinions.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    A society which has almost as many cars as people is going to have an amount of collateral damage. Some innocent people will pay for that reality.

    So, what is your point exactly?
    yup that is very true. The entire world experience of an heavily populated nation like ours shows that it would be nearly impossible to have the society we do without the automobile. So the price is indeed paid and probably one we must pay.

    So can we say the same for the world experience with firearms and the price we must pay for that?

    btw - that is the point.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Personally if it's not about kids in the home, that's bull**** too.

    I am not responsible for anything that a criminal steals from my car or home. I am not a criminal, they are. I am not responsible for other people breaking the law. Would I be held liable if I they stole my car and used it in the commission of a crime (happened, wasnt)?

    I have every right to have my firearm immediately accessible to me in my home, There are zero kids around and if there were I would secure but otherwise, I am not to be blamed for a criminal's actions. That gun lives on a nightstand shelf right where I can access immediately in my safe room/bedroom. If my home is broken into, I know that someone may be inside able to use it against me but I live in a rural area with dogs so it's unlikely someone will be inside when I arrived home and am not aware of something being wrong.

    And in my state, by law I do not have to secure my gun (if there are no kids in the home), thankfully.



    Tell us all about it if a child is ever in your home and finds that gun and uses it.

    It's the things that people don't think are going to happen that create problems for a lot of people.

    I'm not wishing bad luck on anyone, but that's a fact.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    A society which has almost as many cars as people is going to have an amount of collateral damage. Some innocent people will pay for that reality.

    So, what is your point exactly?
    True, but vehicles have the tightest regulations of anything we purchase.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yup that is very true. The entire world experience of an heavily populated nation like ours shows that it would be nearly impossible to have the society we do without the automobile. So the price is indeed paid and probably one we must pay.

    So can we say the same for the world experience with firearms and the price we must pay for that?

    btw - that is the point.
    Which is why the point she/he made is full of holes. Getting rid of vehicles and getting rid of guns would not have equal consequences. I would guess that ardent extremists on the gun side would somehow try to make the argument it is, but I don't think any rationally thinking person would seriously make that argument. Considering guns have been around longer the vehicles and it was not until the invension of the automobile that economies of countries whos populous owned them exploaded. While the ownership of firearms has not had anything like that effect.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You talked to a pretty ****ty cop if he's taking aim at holstered weapons.

    How many 'bad guys' walk around oc'ing? That was just nonsense you wrote and I hope no cop actually said it.
    We are both talking about open carry in populated public areas. And no, he's not the only LEO that is not okay with this new fad of open carry in populated public areas like stores and McDonalds, et al. Hell even one of our own strongly pro-gun members here started a thread about how the open carry attitudes of most that are doing it is doing more harm to the cause than good. Sorry, y'all that want to open carry in populated areas, are doing only to garner attention and be arrogant fools, and neither of those types should even own guns.

    You're indignation about potentially being included in that is no concern of mine.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Which is why the point she/he made is full of holes. Getting rid of vehicles and getting rid of guns would not have equal consequences. I would guess that ardent extremists on the gun side would somehow try to make the argument it is, but I don't think any rationally thinking person would seriously make that argument. Considering guns have been around longer the vehicles and it was not until the invension of the automobile that economies of countries whos populous owned them exploaded. While the ownership of firearms has not had anything like that effect.
    Excellent point. Well stated.
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