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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Oh.. so what your saying is that polls that say people want more gun laws are somehow.... slanted in the favor of the pollsters. But polls that claim people use guns in self defense more often then for crime are not. Interesting..


    Ok. So you don't know the difference between polls conducted by media and politically motivated orgs, vs surveys and studies done by the US Government, private universities and noted scholars. Got it.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

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    I agree that this country does move in a Liberal direction. Every kind of democracy in history becoms a dictatorship; the exeptions being those few lucky enough to become an empior instead. The US is uniqu in that we have the longest running democracy ever.

    And that's because we have a healthy level of Conservatives. We are what delays the Liberal "Progressive" cancer.

    Maybe you're a defeatest, but I encourage cancer patients to fight. And maybe it's true that we can naver fully rid ourselves of the Liberal cancer, but we can sure score a remission.

    One day, like all things, America will end. Everyone dies, cancer or no. But America doesn't have to die by letting the Liberal cancer win; America can end in peace with the formation of the next evolutionary step in self-governance.

    In the mean time, there is nothing to negotiate regarding gun ownership. No kind of firearm should be banned. Every kind of hazard in and around your home should be secured.

    The only thing Liberals and so-called "Progressives" need to consern themselves with is maturing out of the Liberal ideology, or suicide. Liberals by default have nothing of value to say or do on any topic what so ever and, like cancer, is only to be eradicated, not 'negotiated' with.
    Yes, I agree that we need conservatives to fight liberal ideas that head in the wrong direction. We also need liberal direction in order to improve our society. They are strange necessary bedfellows. So far, our country has done a good job of ballencing the two and it seems to continue to do so. There are short periods of time where one has come close to tearing itself away from the other in a damaging way, but it has always equalized. As I have said, a gun ban would be dangerous. Would I wish it was possible, sure. I wish none of us had the need to own a weapon. But I also know that because there are not enough people out there that would self impose or support a law banning guns to allow it to be effective, we need them around. So the middle ground is strict regulation.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ok. So you don't know the difference between polls conducted by media and politically motivated orgs, vs surveys and studies done by the US Government, private universities and noted scholars. Got it.
    Oh, I guess the former are conviniently not politically motivated. You are saying the government is not politically motivated... EDUCATION is not politically motivated???? Can I take anything you say seriously?
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Oh, I guess the former are conviniently not politically motivated. You are saying the government is not politically motivated... EDUCATION is not politically motivated???? Can I take anything you say seriously?

    Nice try. No cigar.


    I'll take the government commissioned NCVS and studies conducted by reputable researchers and universities over stuff put out by the media, Bloomberg and HCI.


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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nice try. No cigar.


    I'll take the government commissioned NCVS and studies conducted by reputable researchers and universities over stuff put out by the media, Bloomberg and HCI.


    Isn't there a tree somewhere that needs a hug?
    Of course you will because that fits your agenda. The way politics work in the US is akin to religion. Cut out the bits that we dont like, or are potentially damaging to our beliefs and highlight the ones that we like.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Yes, I agree that we need conservatives to fight liberal ideas that head in the wrong direction. We also need liberal direction in order to improve our society. They are strange necessary bedfellows. So far, our country has done a good job of ballencing the two and it seems to continue to do so. There are short periods of time where one has come close to tearing itself away from the other in a damaging way, but it has always equalized. As I have said, a gun ban would be dangerous. Would I wish it was possible, sure. I wish none of us had the need to own a weapon. But I also know that because there are not enough people out there that would self impose or support a law banning guns to allow it to be effective, we need them around. So the middle ground is strict regulation.
    Liberals nave never bettered sociaty.
    Liberals harm sociaty through weak and non-viable fiscal policy, basicaly enabling the public to vote themselves a bigger and bigger piece of the treasury, which just happens to be the reason democracies fail. See The New Deal and Obamacare for examples.

    Liberals and Conservatives are oil and water, not bedfellows.

    Back on topic: give me the Conservative Democrat who genuinly belives spicific policy can improve public saftey and not just giving lip-service to voting block to legislate an end run around the 2nd Amendment. *That* person is honest and reasonable and can be negotiated with. *That* person won't try to turn a safe-storage law into a Chicago-like default ban.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Liberals nave never bettered sociaty.
    Liberals harm sociaty through weak and non-viable fiscal policy, basicaly enabling the public to vote themselves a bigger and bigger piece of the treasury, which just happens to be the reason democracies fail. See The New Deal and Obamacare for examples.
    I partially agree. I do believe there are many liberal / socialist policies that are damaging to the economy. But there are also things that conservatives do that damage our country as well, such as trying to push religion into schools, denying human rights to gays ect ect.. Both sides have done damage to our society, and both sides have contributed as well.

    Liberals and Conservatives are oil and water, not bedfellows.
    They are bedfellows, both work to buffer the effect of the other on society.

    Back on topic: give me the Conservative Democrat who genuinly belives spicific policy can improve public saftey and not just giving lip-service to voting block to legislate an end run around the 2nd Amendment. *That* person is honest and reasonable and can be negotiated with. *That* person won't try to turn a safe-storage law into a Chicago-like default ban.
    The problem is, anyone who thinks laws should be passed to regulate gun's is labeled as someone who is unreasonable. So in essence, you are creating a person that would never exist.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    A 5-year old girl visiting with friends in eastern Idaho died after being shot by another 5-year old in what police say is an accidental shooting.

    Read more here: 5-year-old Idaho girl dies after Idaho playmate gets gun | Fox News

    I have little doubt that the child who shot and killed her playmate didn't do it on purpose.

    But that doesn't change the result that we're looking at.

    Whoever owns that gun and failed to secure it needs to pay a heavy price for the death of this 5-year old which resulted from that carelessness.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In TD's example the property owner was doing the snorting. So you're point here doesn't apply.
    In the one I quoted, they described a 'sitter.'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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