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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    No? I was agreeing and explaining why. I think they should be charged as well. I was pointing out it is also still an accident.
    The owner knew unauthorized use could occure if they didn't secure the gun, so this wasn't an accident. The owner failed to properly secure the gun, so it's negligence.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You just unknowingly proved my point. I did not say anywhere in my post that the owner of the weapon should be charged with murder, but they should be charged with negligent homicide, or something along those lines.
    Police are still investigating. There is a good chance that the owner would be charged with something if possible.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The civil war has nothing to do with the issue of gun ownership, and I've never lived in a southern state anyway. Nice try but your hyperbolic bull**** is weak.
    You obviously missed my point. I was not saying that gun owners wish the south had won, or that slavery should return, or that gays should not be able to marry each other... Although I do believe that if you looked at the statistics, you will find that more gun owners hold those views then people who do not own guns, it was not my point. My point is that our country has always moved in a liberal direction. If you go back 50 years, no one could have imagined two men getting married. Today it is more acceptable and less controversial. Today many would never imagine an America with strict gun laws, but following other examples, 30-40-50 years from now, there will be because that is the direction our country is headed in. Like it or not....
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You obviously missed my point. I was not saying that gun owners wish the south had won, or that slavery should return, or that gays should not be able to marry each other... Although I do believe that if you looked at the statistics, you will find that more gun owners hold those views then people who do not own guns, it was not my point. My point is that our country has always moved in a liberal direction. If you go back 50 years, no one could have imagined two men getting married. Today it is more acceptable and less controversial. Today many would never imagine an America with strict gun laws, but following other examples, 30-40-50 years from now, there will be because that is the direction our country is headed in. Like it or not....

    Actually gun control has been moving more "libertarian" over the past 30 years.


    30 years ago, only Florida had "shall issue" concealed carry permits... now almost 40 states have them, or no permit required.

    Assault weapons ban sunset, not renewed.

    Heller decision.

    Etc.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually gun control has been moving more "libertarian" over the past 30 years.


    30 years ago, only Florida had "shall issue" concealed carry permits... now almost 40 states have them, or no permit required.

    Assault weapons ban sunset, not renewed.

    Heller decision.

    Etc.
    If you have not been watching the news lately, there is a lot of coverage painting guns in a negative light. As history has shown, with examples like the vietnam war, Iraq war, gay rights, womens rights, racism...ect..ect... Anything the media portrays as negative and in need of change, the American populous generally follow. Guns, among other things, are next on the chopping block. It will only take continuing gun violence and heart breaking stories on how gun violence effects families of those who are victims. It started with school shootings, and now has spread to coverage on almost any shooting. Which instantly sparks a gun rights debate. If it were not such a controversial issue, I would agree, but since it is, its obviously a sign that the tide is changing and that the push for gun regulation is getting stronger.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    If you have not been watching the news lately, there is a lot of coverage painting guns in a negative light. As history has shown, with examples like the vietnam war, Iraq war, gay rights, womens rights, racism...ect..ect... Anything the media portrays as negative and in need of change, the American populous generally follow. Guns, among other things, are next on the chopping block. It will only take continuing gun violence and heart breaking stories on how gun violence effects families of those who are victims. It started with school shootings, and now has spread to coverage on almost any shooting. Which instantly sparks a gun rights debate. If it were not such a controversial issue, I would agree, but since it is, its obviously a sign that the tide is changing and that the push for gun regulation is getting stronger.

    You're confusing a 2-3 year "trend" that is really a political push backed by Pelosi, Bloomberg and HCI, with an over 30-year trend that has been pushed by The People themselves.


    I'd be very lucky if I live to see what things are like in 50 years... but I'll bet my retirement that the private ownership of firearms will still be a respected American institution. Assuming there is still a USA at all, that is.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're confusing a 2-3 year "trend" that is really a political push backed by Pelosi, Bloomberg and HCI, with an over 30-year trend that has been pushed by The People themselves.


    I'd be very lucky if I live to see what things are like in 50 years... but I'll bet my retirement that the private ownership of firearms will still be a respected American institution. Assuming there is still a USA at all, that is.
    Its the people who are behind the movement. But of course leave it to conspiracy theorists to blame it on the government. Which, for some odd reason, seem to fester in the gun nut community... You actually don't believe that the average American is in favor of tighter gun regulation. The polls all seem to disagree with that statement.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Its the people who are behind the movement. But of course leave it to conspiracy theorists to blame it on the government. Which, for some odd reason, seem to fester in the gun nut community... You actually don't believe that the average American is in favor of tighter gun regulation. The polls all seem to disagree with that statement.


    Polls can typically produce whatever result the pollsters want, if they phrase their questions carefully and cherry pick the data... as is often the case.

    And even if a majority might be in favor of a FEW new regulations, that doesn't mean the population in general has turned anti-gun.


    Oh and you can ****can the "gun nut" and "conspiracy theorist" baiting remarks you're not-so-subtly directing at me. That Bloomberg and Pelosi, along with willing accomplices in the media, are involved in this push for more gun control is as plain as the nose on Cyrano's face.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You obviously missed my point. I was not saying that gun owners wish the south had won, or that slavery should return, or that gays should not be able to marry each other... Although I do believe that if you looked at the statistics, you will find that more gun owners hold those views then people who do not own guns, it was not my point. My point is that our country has always moved in a liberal direction. If you go back 50 years, no one could have imagined two men getting married. Today it is more acceptable and less controversial. Today many would never imagine an America with strict gun laws, but following other examples, 30-40-50 years from now, there will be because that is the direction our country is headed in. Like it or not....
    I agree that this country does move in a Liberal direction. Every kind of democracy in history becoms a dictatorship; the exeptions being those few lucky enough to become an empior instead. The US is uniqu in that we have the longest running democracy ever.

    And that's because we have a healthy level of Conservatives. We are what delays the Liberal "Progressive" cancer.

    Maybe you're a defeatest, but I encourage cancer patients to fight. And maybe it's true that we can naver fully rid ourselves of the Liberal cancer, but we can sure score a remission.

    One day, like all things, America will end. Everyone dies, cancer or no. But America doesn't have to die by letting the Liberal cancer win; America can end in peace with the formation of the next evolutionary step in self-governance.

    In the mean time, there is nothing to negotiate regarding gun ownership. No kind of firearm should be banned. Every kind of hazard in and around your home should be secured.

    The only thing Liberals and so-called "Progressives" need to consern themselves with is maturing out of the Liberal ideology, or suicide. Liberals by default have nothing of value to say or do on any topic what so ever and, like cancer, is only to be eradicated, not 'negotiated' with.

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Polls can typically produce whatever result the pollsters want, if they phrase their questions carefully and cherry pick the data... as is often the case.

    And even if a majority might be in favor of a FEW new regulations, that doesn't mean the population in general has turned anti-gun.


    Oh and you can ****can the "gun nut" and "conspiracy theorist" baiting remarks you're not-so-subtly directing at me. That Bloomberg and Pelosi, along with willing accomplices in the media, are involved in this push for more gun control is as plain as the nose on Cyrano's face.
    Oh.. so what your saying is that polls that say people want more gun laws are somehow.... slanted in the favor of the pollsters. But polls that claim people use guns in self defense more often then for crime are not. Interesting..
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